[#72745] [Ruby trunk - Misc #11876] [Closed] Scheduled maintenance 2016/01/01 — shibata.hiroshi@...
Issue #11876 has been updated by Hiroshi SHIBATA.
shibata.hiroshi@gmail.com wrote:
[#72824] [Ruby trunk - Bug #11973] IO#advise should raise NotImplementedError on platforms that do not support that call — git@...
Issue #11973 has been updated by Chuck Remes.
[#72954] [Ruby trunk - Feature #12010] [Assigned] Exclude dot and dotdot from Dir#each — naruse@...
Issue #12010 has been reported by Yui NARUSE.
naruse@airemix.jp wrote:
[#73313] [Ruby trunk - Bug #12007] [Open] Newly added Unicode data file doesn't get downloaded — shugo@...
Issue #12007 has been updated by Shugo Maeda.
[#73372] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — benton@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Benton Barnett.
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:13 PM, <benton@bentonbarnett.com> wrote:
[#73421] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — nekocat432@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Ruby Dino.
I’m sorry, but this, like the code of merit, is merely a derailing tactic.
On 2016/01/26 01:32, Austin Ziegler wrote:
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:25 AM, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
[#73491] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — git@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Chuck Remes.
They will never provide any numbers because they are not engineers and they
Coraline is a panelist on Ruby rogues and a very well respected member of
OK, sorry for previous comment. Let's try this way.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Andrew Kirilenko <
[#73558] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — andrew.kirilenko@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Andrew Kirilenko.
Andrew, please stop digging. Your hole is only getting deeper.
>Andrew, please stop digging. Your hole is only getting deeper.
[#73586] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct — andrew@...
Issue #12004 has been updated by Andrew Vit.
[#73593] [Ruby trunk - Bug #12034] RegExp does not respect file encoding directive — nobu@...
Issue #12034 has been updated by Nobuyoshi Nakada.
[ruby-core:73488] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Vit <andrew@avit.ca> wrote: > On 2016-01-26 7:39 AM, Austin Ziegler wrote: > >> Ideas [are] considered equally and must stand on [their] own merit and >> not the reputation of the proponent >> > > I just can't see what is wrong with this important principle. This is the > ideal, even when you think it's not always the reality. > I take the stance of the sociologist who coined the term: it is not only *never* the reality, it is impossible for it to *ever* be the reality. A meritocracy eventually becomes an oligarchy with a permanent underclass. In my experience, unless you make outreach efforts, you will miss out on contributions by people who are not as comfortable with making public contributions (for reasons of shyness, language issues, uncertainty, because they know they will be targeted by harassers just because they are *different*, etc.). With outreach, you can *increase* contribution at all levels and get *better* results than you would just from the people who feel comfortable. The “meritocratic ideal” is lazy. It assumes that everyone is extroverted somehow or somewhere. It selects for people *like you* when *diversity* is more likely to give a better result overall. At the same time, when it comes to Ruby, I would *definitely* expect Matz’s (or ko1’s or nobu’s or Eric Wong’s or…) contributions to be taken over my own because they have *earned* some level of trust and respect. I would still reach out to encourage others to participate, and I truly believe that positive outreach—including indicating that we are a Safe Space That Does Not Tolerate Harassment (which, based on some contributions here, is sadly not true)—will net us increased participation and better *overall* contributions. Some folks have claimed that Ruby is a “technical community” (implying by the same phrase that Ruby is a meritocracy where the best idea wins). This isn’t always true, and even in “technical communities” (e.g., “meritocracies”) or scientific communities, women have a *much* harder time. See the Twitter tag #astroSH ( http://mashable.com/2016/01/15/harassment-astronomy-social-media) for examples of just how *not true* this is. In 2016, CoCs are *table stakes*. Not having one, or having something derailing like the Code of Merit or the Pragmatist’s Code of Conduct (which *enshrine* the status quo of elitism in the name of meritocracy), is indicative that you are not interested in minority contributions. > I don't think you understand what we mean by "meritocracy": > I do understand. I’m saying something different. > * If the proponent is a high-status maintainer, their idea SHOULD NOT > carry any MORE weight. > * If the proponent has low status, their idea SHOULD NOT carry any LESS > weight. > What I’m saying different is: 1. In reality, high-status maintainers *already* have ideas that carry more weight (there are plenty of examples of this in Linux kernel development, and what is systemd except this run amok?). 2. In reality, low status proponents are mostly ignored. Even in our wider community, we have had beginners mocked for the quality of their code (for which the people who mocked the offender later apologized, but it *happened* nonetheless). 3. Simply saying “submit good ideas” is insufficient when there may be people in your community whose behaviour may be actively driving out women or ethnic minorities or people of differing religions or differing sexuality or differing gender identities. If I were a woman watching this thread, I would be nervous about the threat “ph ph” made to Coraline upthread. There is *already* an ideological purity test at work, even if it is something that Matz disavows. Isn't this what everyone is asking for? To leave social status outside and > treat everyone equally? It isn’t that simple. I used to believe that being colourblind/genderblind was the correct thing to fight racism/sexism. When I was 25. In the last fifteen years, I have learned that leads to *erasure*, which results in no real change at all in the status of those who are systematically disadvantaged by society and/or the communities in which they operate. Judging ideas on merit can’t even *start* to happen until you know that you have solicited ideas from people who wouldn’t normally provide those ideas in the first place. We can’t just be a place of excellence—I don’t *want* Ruby to just be a place of excellence. I call Ruby *home* because it is the language I program in that makes me happiest. I want to help *other* people find their happiness in Ruby. I want outreach. -a -- Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue Unsubscribe: <mailto:ruby-core-request@ruby-lang.org?subject=unsubscribe> <http://lists.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/ruby-core>