From: julian.cheal@... Date: 2016-01-21T20:41:23+00:00 Subject: [ruby-core:73044] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct Issue #12004 has been updated by Julian Cheal. Fred Heath wrote: > > Andrew Vit wrote: > > > > > > 1. Is there any evidence to suggest that we (or any other software community) need a CoC ? > > > > We could just look at historical discussions (mailing list/redmine) to see how often a conduct issue has come up in the past. > > That alone isn't enough. We need evidence as to whether these issues would have been either avoided or better handled by the existence of a CoC. > > > > 4. How many people will be marginalised and excluded by the introduction of this CoC vs how many people are marginalised and excluded by it's ommittance. In other words, has anyone ever said "I feel fearful / uncomfortable contributing to Ruby because it doesn't have a CoC" ? > > > > We could just look at Github projects and determine if the number of unique contributors has increased since the date they added a CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md file. > > As evidence that would be purely circumstantial. We need evidence of how many potential contributors have been put off by the lack of a CoC. Against how many will be put off by the existence of such a CoC. > > > > Then it's based on facts and not just some people's political opinions. > > My point exactly. When someone has been harassed, their response was not to file a bug on bugs.ruby-lang or post the harassment on a mailing list. Often is the case to suffer in silence, and in some cases to remove oneself from the community in general. Therefore, as people have mentioned there is no easy to find corpus of harassment data, that one can base a decision from. As previously mentioned, one cannot simply write a test case for community issues. I feel this discussion has gone in many directions, bar the one useful one. It should not be a discussion of Code of Conduct: yea or nay. More a discussion of, given the choices of the available codes of conducts, which one best suits our community. From Matz's reply it seems obvious that he too agrees with there being a code of conduct, but is unsure of the language. ---------------------------------------- Misc #12004: Code of Conduct https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004#change-56266 * Author: Coraline Ada Ehmke * Status: Assigned * Priority: Normal * Assignee: Yukihiro Matsumoto ---------------------------------------- I am the creator of the Contributor Covenant, a code of conduct for Open Source projects. At last count there are over 13,000 projects on Github that have adopted it. This past year saw adoption of Contributor Covenant by a lot of very large, very visible projects, including Rails, Github's Atom text editor, Angular JS, bundler, curl, diaspora, discourse, Eclipse, rspec, shoes, and rvm. The bundler team made code of conduct integration an option in the gem creation workflow, putting it on par with license selection. Many open source language communities have already adopted the code of conduct, including Elixir, Mono, the .NET foundation, F#, and Apple's Swift. RubyTogether also adopted a policy to only fund Ruby projects that had a solid code of conduct in place. Right now in the PHP community there is a healthy debate about adopting the Contributor Covenant. Since it came from and has been so widely adopted by the Ruby community at large, I think it's time that we consider adopting it for the core Ruby language as well. Our community prides itself on niceness. What a code of conduct does is define what we mean by nice. It states clearly that we value openness, courtesy, and compassion. That we care about and want contributions from people who may be different from us. That we pledge to respect all contributors regardless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, or other factors. And it makes it clear that we are prepared to follow through on these values with action when and if an incident arises. I'm asking that we join with the larger Ruby community in supporting the adoption of the Contributor Covenant for the Ruby language. I think that this will be an important step forward and will ensure the continued welcoming and supportive environment around Ruby. You can read the full text of the Contributor Covenant at http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/3/0/ and learn more at http://contributor-covenant.org/. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to hearing your thoughts. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ Unsubscribe: