From: Austin Ziegler Date: 2016-01-25T10:51:54-05:00 Subject: [ruby-core:73422] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct --===============0036233514== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158aa667fb81e052a2a8d64 --089e0158aa667fb81e052a2a8d64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:18 AM, wrote: > Issue #12004 has been updated by ph ph. > Coraline Ada Ehmke wrote: > > > Should you persist on perturbing this technical community with your > > > political ideas, it will be perfectly warranted to take positive acti= on > > > unambiguously opposite of the ones you are promoting, in order to > > > disincentive you to persist on imposing your crazy ideas. > > > > It's hard not to read this as a threat. > > It is a threat. A threat against your ideas. > But your reaction by calling this a general threat, implicitly meaning > against you as a person, proves once again your straightforward > political agenda, and what it will bring to Ruby. > Do you truly believe that what you are advocating is not, itself, politics? Your assertion that we, the wider Ruby Community, are *merely* technical is a political opinion, and one that you have made *threats* to enforce others keep their ideas of what the Ruby Community means to them to themselves. You are making an argument of ideological purity (re: tech vs not tech, plus other bits), which is an extremely political stance. Reality, even in =E2=80=9Ctechnical communities=E2=80=9D, is much more nuanced than your sim= plistic approach would suggest. Your argumentation is based on half truths just like you mention the > fact that we are "a community". We are not a community. > we are a _technical_ community. Not a national community, or a > any community which should take extra precaution compared to > the rest of the people : if you feel something is to be done for > a cause you care, it has nothing specific to do with the Ruby > technical community. > One cannot have a technical community without a community. Whenever you have a group of like-minded individuals, you *by definition* have a community. Our like-mindedness is based around our like for Ruby the programming language. Because people are not robots or automatons, a community *must* be able to work with its members. Healthy communities are welcoming communities. Unhealthy communities are exclusive communities. I prefer Ruby to be a welcoming *healthy* community than an unhealthy exclusionary community ruled by the diktats of the narrow-minded who can=E2= =80=99t accept the modern world. > If you continue to promote your political ideas in the technical > realm, we will, on principle, attack your ideas, to provide you with > the necessary incentives to stop. > It has nothing personal, nor is it linked to the ideas themselves you are > promoting. It is just on principle. > =E2=80=9CI will close the mind of the Ruby community to anything except tha= t which I, ph ph, deem acceptable.=E2=80=9D How progressive of you. > You want to impose nothing sexual > despite the fact that : > - you are willing to introduce a fringe _psychological_ distinction of > "gender" VS "gender identity" VS "gender expression" > These concepts are not fringe. Your personal distaste is showing and masquerading as =E2=80=9Cfact=E2=80=9D. > - different cultures consider different things sexual > Irrelevant. > Clearly this is a bound to fail even in theory, and this trainwreck shoul= d > be stopped. > > > All this has nothing to do with Ruby a programming language, > everything about your political ideas and will to impose them, > and promise nothing good but trouble as has now been evidenced. > The only trouble I am seeing is someone who is making threats and promises of retribution on someone who only wants to see her community become better and more welcoming. -a --=20 Austin Ziegler =E2=80=A2 halostatue@gmail.com =E2=80=A2 austin@halostatue.c= a http://www.halostatue.ca/ =E2=80=A2 http://twitter.com/halostatue --089e0158aa667fb81e052a2a8d64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:18 AM, <shrubby@yopmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
Issue #12004 has been u= pdated by ph ph.
Coraline Ada Ehmke wrote:
> > Should you persist on perturbing this tec= hnical community with your
> > political ideas, it will be perfectly warranted to take positive = action
> > unambiguously opposite of the ones you are promoting, in order to=
> > disincentive you to persist on imposing y= our crazy ideas.
>
> It's hard not to read this as a threat.
It is a threat. A threat against your ideas.
But your reaction by calling this a general threat, implicitly meaning
against you as a person, proves once again your straightforward
political agenda, and what it will bring to Ruby.

=
Do you truly believe that what you are advocating is not, itself= , politics? Your assertion that we, the wider Ruby Community, are *merely* = technical is a political opinion, and one that you have made *threats* to e= nforce others keep their ideas of what the Ruby Community means to them to = themselves. You are making an argument of ideological purity (re: tech vs n= ot tech, plus other bits), which is an extremely political stance. Reality,= even in =E2=80=9Ctechnical communities=E2=80=9D, is much more nuanced than= your simplistic approach would suggest.

Your argumentation is based on half truths just like y= ou mention the
fact that we are "a community". We are not a community.
we are a=C2=A0 _technical_ community. Not a national community, or a
any community which should take extra precaution compared to
the rest of the people : if you feel something is to be done for
a cause you care, it has nothing specific to do with the Ruby
technical community.

One cannot have a = technical community without a community. Whenever you have a group of like-= minded individuals, you *by definition* have a community. Our like-mindedne= ss is based around our like for Ruby the programming language. Because peop= le are not robots or automatons, a community *must* be able to work with it= s members. Healthy communities are welcoming communities. Unhealthy communi= ties are exclusive communities. I prefer Ruby to be a welcoming *healthy* c= ommunity than an unhealthy exclusionary community ruled by the diktats of t= he narrow-minded who can=E2=80=99t accept the modern world.
=C2= =A0
If you continue to promote your political ideas in the technical
realm, we will, on principle, attack your ideas, to provide you with
the necessary incentives to stop.

It has nothing personal, nor is it linked to the ideas= themselves you are
promoting. It is just on principle.

=E2= =80=9CI will close the mind of the Ruby community to anything except that w= hich I, ph ph, deem acceptable.=E2=80=9D How progressive of you.
= =C2=A0
You want to impose nothing sexual
despite the fact that :
- you are willing to introduce a fringe _psychological_ distinction=C2=A0 o= f
"gender" VS "gender identity" VS "= ;gender expression"

These c= oncepts are not fringe. Your personal distaste is showing and masquerading = as =E2=80=9Cfact=E2=80=9D.
=C2=A0
- different cultures consider different things sexual

Irrelevant.
=C2=A0
Clearly this is a bound to fail even in theory, and this trai= nwreck should
=C2=A0be stopped.


All this has nothing to do with Ruby a programming language,
everything about your political ideas=C2=A0 and will to impose them,
and promise nothing good but trouble as has now been evidenced.

The only trouble I am seeing is someone who is mak= ing threats and promises of retribution on someone who only wants to see he= r community become better and more welcoming.

-a
--
Austin Ziegler =E2=80=A2 halostatue@gmail.co= m =E2=80=A2 a= ustin@halostatue.ca
http://www.halostatue.ca/ =E2=80=A2 http://twitter.com/halostatue
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