From: andrew@...
Date: 2016-01-23T18:25:11+00:00
Subject: [ruby-core:73318] [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct
Issue #12004 has been updated by Andrew Vit.
I have wanted to stay neutral but the more I see, the less generous I am feeling about the idea of any CoC at all. I do think moderation is important, but that seems to be happening well enough already without a document. What is being asked for next is "more teeth", and it seems the wording that Matz originally suggested ("appropriate response to the situation") is not enough for some.
Will the CoC require that there is a 24/7 hotline and SLA too?
"Community standards only enforced during local standard business hours."
https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/690619432675123200
I'm sorry, but I don't think anyone could make you happy Coraline. And that is not anyone else's problem but yours.
What happens right now is (1) you can complain about Japan on Twitter, then (2) the problem gets corrected anyway. What happens with official enforcement ("teeth") is asking for somebody's removal because their response to your complaint was not satisfactory. I don't believe anything will ever make your "safe space" crowd happy until someone's dignity is destroyed. I just can't trust your good intentions under the proposed CoC.
This is where it goes?
"And frankly, as @yukihiro_matz has stated he doesn't feel like being responsible for helping people feel safe then fuck his leadership."
https://twitter.com/krainboltgreene/status/690437246059556864
That sounds too similar to what happened at Yale University:
"You should step down. This is not about creating an intellectual space. It is about creating a home here."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0
I just cannot understand why this authoritarian Social "Justice" mob mentality deserves anyone's respect, and how it spreads among otherwise intelligent people scares me. When did we stop thinking as individuals with our own opinions instead of mindless interest groups with a bad attitude? (I guess since Twitter, so yeah, blame Ruby anyway...)
If university presidents can be forced to step down by a noisy crowd without any justifiable reason, it can happen in our OSS groups. Please take a stand against this: these people don't need protection under a CoC, they need to take responsibility for themselves and what they say, and much of what they say is insulting.
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Misc #12004: Code of Conduct
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004#change-56547
* Author: Coraline Ada Ehmke
* Status: Assigned
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: Yukihiro Matsumoto
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I am the creator of the Contributor Covenant, a code of conduct for Open Source projects. At last count there are over 13,000 projects on Github that have adopted it. This past year saw adoption of Contributor Covenant by a lot of very large, very visible projects, including Rails, Github's Atom text editor, Angular JS, bundler, curl, diaspora, discourse, Eclipse, rspec, shoes, and rvm. The bundler team made code of conduct integration an option in the gem creation workflow, putting it on par with license selection. Many open source language communities have already adopted the code of conduct, including Elixir, Mono, the .NET foundation, F#, and Apple's Swift. RubyTogether also adopted a policy to only fund Ruby projects that had a solid code of conduct in place.
Right now in the PHP community there is a healthy debate about adopting the Contributor Covenant. Since it came from and has been so widely adopted by the Ruby community at large, I think it's time that we consider adopting it for the core Ruby language as well.
Our community prides itself on niceness. What a code of conduct does is define what we mean by nice. It states clearly that we value openness, courtesy, and compassion. That we care about and want contributions from people who may be different from us. That we pledge to respect all contributors regardless of their race, gender, sexual orientation, or other factors. And it makes it clear that we are prepared to follow through on these values with action when and if an incident arises.
I'm asking that we join with the larger Ruby community in supporting the adoption of the Contributor Covenant for the Ruby language. I think that this will be an important step forward and will ensure the continued welcoming and supportive environment around Ruby. You can read the full text of the Contributor Covenant at http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/3/0/ and learn more at http://contributor-covenant.org/.
Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
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