On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:22 AM, <rubyamateur@wbml.ne= t> wrote:

Issue #12004 has been updated by Ruby = Amateur.

The more I contemplate the [revised code of conduct (or "community gui= delines") by Caroline Ada Ehmke](https://bugs.r= uby-lang.org/issues/12004#note-347), on one hand I like the idea of all= owing confidential addressing of grievences. However, I don't fully und= erstand how the moderation of the Ruby community can be handled. First of a= ll it requires infrastructure and policy to implement even the most basic g= rievence handling. Furthermore, I feel if left to Matz and his Japanese del= egates (due to enforcing local laws), either side of a complaint can skillf= ully feign ignorance due to language barrier. It also places a lot of menta= l burden deciding and judging what complies with the code of conduct and wh= at doesn't. **Lastly, I feel like code of conducts with enforcement and= punitive measures is like giving delegates of a community firearms when th= e community was safe and peaceful for 20 years.**

I can see your point here, but I disagree. 1) There are several = people in the community who have gained Matz=E2=80=99s trust over the years= who could *also* assist with handling conduct complaints. 2) The biggest c= omplaint against codes of conduct is that they *can* be enforced unfairly. = I see the enforcement/measures bits as reducing the opportunity for rules t= o be applied unfairly.

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On the other hand, [Jeremy Evan's proposed Code of Conduct in #329](https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004#note-329) i= s far simpler, easier to understand, and doesn't burden the project and= community. I also think we can consider addressing grievences, punitive me= asuers, and enforcement at a later time. I just don't see the need to f= uture proof these policies today, especially during a heated discussion whe= re people are upset. I think if the community has proper data points collec= ted to warrant enforcement and punitive measures, we should consider it.

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I don=E2=80=99t agree, especially on t= he matter of having *somewhere* to make confidential reports. Having guidel= ines and/or enforcement limits (=E2=80=9Csanctions up to and including temp= orary or permanent exclusion from=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D) reduces the ability to= apply community standards or rules unfairly. IMO.

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