From: Austin Ziegler Date: 2016-01-29T08:42:18-05:00 Subject: [ruby-core:73577] Re: [Ruby trunk - Misc #12004] Code of Conduct --===============1756479953== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122ac5a683304052a7935b9 --089e0122ac5a683304052a7935b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:37 AM, wrote: > Issue #12004 has been updated by Jay S. > > Quite simply: nobody on Ruby's mailing list has been harassed or > marginalized. Not in this thread, and not in any thread to date. I've bee= n > on the mailing list for quite some time as a lurker. I have seen many ver= y > heated exchanges, but I've never seen anything that came close to requiri= ng > any form of moderator action. It's great to have a document to point peop= le > at to remind them of the etiquette of a mailing list / issue tracker, but > nobody has overtly (or repeatedly) violated the etiquette without it bein= g > rectified in the very thread. > This statement is not true. There is a post by =E2=80=9Cph ph=E2=80=9D that= includes a direct threat to push someone from this community through harassment because of what =E2=80=9Cph ph=E2=80=9D considers to be ideological impurit= y. This threat has not been addressed or retracted (in fact, =E2=80=9Cph ph=E2=80=9D doubl= ed down on it). I believe that if a CoC (with enforcable penalties) had existed prior to > this discussion, you would have seen a number of requests to enforce such= a > CoC on both ends for this thread. If you agree with the above, you would > also believe that these requests would be knee-jerk reactions to statemen= ts > that others would have misinterpreted as malicious when they were not. > Again: no CoC rules (even as per Coraline's listing) have *actually* been > broken here. > Again, this statement is not true, even ignoring the direct threat by =E2= =80=9Cph ph=E2=80=9D. The troll who impersonated Coraline *clearly* broke *any* sens= ible convention for a community, as did the anti-Semitic poster (also a troll). There are a few other posts here which I would consider borderline and quite possibly *over* the line (a few posts with racist, sexist, and/or transphobic statements have been made which should *not* be considered acceptable and most certainly don=E2=80=99t fit the =E2=80=9CMINASWAN=E2=80= =9D ideal that most opponents to CoCs have declared to be =E2=80=9Csufficient=E2=80=9D). -a --=20 Austin Ziegler =E2=80=A2 halostatue@gmail.com =E2=80=A2 austin@halostatue.c= a http://www.halostatue.ca/ =E2=80=A2 http://twitter.com/halostatue --089e0122ac5a683304052a7935b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:37 AM, <angularjays@monumentmail= .com> wrote:

Issue #12004 h= as been updated by Jay S.

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Quite simply: nobody on Ruby's mailing list has been har= assed or marginalized. Not in this thread, and not in any thread to date. I= 've been on the mailing list for quite some time as a lurker. I have se= en many very heated exchanges, but I've never seen anything that came c= lose to requiring any form of moderator action. It's great to have a do= cument to point people at to remind them of the etiquette of a mailing list= / issue tracker, but nobody has overtly (or repeatedly) violated the etiqu= ette without it being rectified in the very thread.

This statement is not true. There is a post by =E2=80=9Cph ph= =E2=80=9D that includes a direct threat to push someone from this community= through harassment because of what =E2=80=9Cph ph=E2=80=9D considers to be= ideological impurity. This threat has not been addressed or retracted (in = fact, =E2=80=9Cph ph=E2=80=9D doubled down on it).

I believe that if a CoC (with enforcable penalti= es) had existed prior to this discussion, you would have seen a number of r= equests to enforce such a CoC on both ends for this thread. If you agree wi= th the above, you would also believe that these requests would be knee-jerk= reactions to statements that others would have misinterpreted as malicious= when they were not. Again: no CoC rules (even as per Coraline's listin= g) have *actually* been broken here.

Ag= ain, this statement is not true, even ignoring the direct threat by =E2=80= =9Cph ph=E2=80=9D. The troll who impersonated Coraline *clearly* broke *any= * sensible convention for a community, as did the anti-Semitic poster (also= a troll). There are a few other posts here which I would consider borderli= ne and quite possibly *over* the line (a few posts with racist, sexist, and= /or transphobic statements have been made which should *not* be considered = acceptable and most certainly don=E2=80=99t fit the =E2=80=9CMINASWAN=E2=80= =9D ideal that most opponents to CoCs have declared to be =E2=80=9Csufficie= nt=E2=80=9D).

-a

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