[#35036] Intentional Programming — "John" <nojgoalbyspam@...>

Hi all

17 messages 2002/03/01

[#35112] RDoc question — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I have a question about RDoc. I would like to reference an external

17 messages 2002/03/02

[#35162] string to array and back — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I am needing to convert strings to arrays of bytes and back. I see pack and

19 messages 2002/03/03

[#35364] file reading impossibly slow? — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

So I'm doing this benchmark to work with my set program. Part of the problem is

18 messages 2002/03/07

[#35429] Interesting link on static/dynamic typing... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

...relevant to Ruby compared to other languages discussion:

25 messages 2002/03/08
[#35441] Re: Interesting link on static/dynamic typing... — Paul Brannan <paul@...> 2002/03/08

On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 05:34:43PM +0900, Robert Feldt wrote:

[#35460] Spam, ruby-talk, and me — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

14 messages 2002/03/08

[#35537] Confusion — David Corbin <dcorbin@...>

The following is from my debugging through xmlc.rb

16 messages 2002/03/10

[#35579] RE: WIN32OLE and LDAP — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

> The new version 0.4.2 of Win32OLE has WIN32OLE.bind method.

16 messages 2002/03/11

[#35652] Method type 'abstract' — Peter Hickman <peter@...>

The one thing I miss in Ruby is the abstract class method to go along

15 messages 2002/03/12

[#35653] Some potential RCRs — "Bob Alexander" <bobalex@...>

Here are a few thing I am considering submitting as RCRs. I'm looking =

50 messages 2002/03/12
[#35672] Re: Some potential RCRs — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/03/12

Hi,

[#35683] Re: Some potential RCRs — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/03/12

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:58:01AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#35697] Re: Some potential RCRs — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/03/13

Hello --

[#35694] rpkg 0.3 — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

14 messages 2002/03/13
[#35699] RE: [ANN] rpkg 0.3 — <james@...> 2002/03/13

>

[#35787] testunit - setup -> set_up ? — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

I'm just starting to use testunit instead of rubyunit ... I noticed with an

21 messages 2002/03/13
[#35793] RE: testunit - setup -> set_up ? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/03/13

Morris, Chris [mailto:chris.morris@snelling.com] wrote:

[#35796] Re: testunit - setup -> set_up ? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/03/13

"Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@talbott.ws> writes:

[#35797] RE: testunit - setup -> set_up ? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/03/13

dave@thomases.com [mailto:dave@thomases.com] wrote:

[#35898] camelCase and underscore_style — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

First, a question. If underscore_style is the Ruby norm for methods and the

20 messages 2002/03/15
[#35924] Re: camelCase and underscore_style — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...> 2002/03/15

Phil Tomson wrote:

[#35930] RE: camelCase and underscore_style — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2002/03/16

Guy N. Hurst [mailto:gnhurst@hurstlinks.com] wrote:

[#35989] ANN: Locana GUI and GUI Builder version 0.81 — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I am pleased to announce release 0.81 of Locana. Locana is a GUI

16 messages 2002/03/16

[#35992] XPath — Michael Schuerig <schuerig@...>

27 messages 2002/03/16

[#36034] Mini Rant: Indenting — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...>

Why is it that I see *so* much code like:

14 messages 2002/03/17

[#36049] web templating for static sites? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

I'm using the Template Toolkit for generating static web sites and I

42 messages 2002/03/17
[#36426] web standars (was: web templating for static sites?) — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/03/20

Albert Wagner wrote:

[#36052] Xml Serialization for Ruby — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>

=Xml Serialization for Ruby

20 messages 2002/03/17
[#36059] Re: [ANN] Xml Serialization for Ruby — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/03/17

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:20:56AM +0900, Chris Morris wrote:

[#36067] eval/Module question — David Corbin <dcorbin@...>

If I have a String src that is similar to the following:

13 messages 2002/03/18

[#36157] Development of Windows version of Ruby — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Now that we've dumped the cygwin requirement for the Windows version of

63 messages 2002/03/18
[#36330] Re: Development of Windows version of Ruby — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> 2002/03/19

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:05:27 GMT, "Albert L. Wagner" <alwagner@uark.edu> wrote:

[#36431] Re: Development of Windows version of Ruby — Dennis Newbold <dennisn@...> 2002/03/20

[#36458] Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2002/03/21

Dennis Newbold <dennisn@pe.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.3.96.1020320113603.22242B-100000@shell2>...

[#36482] RE: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — "Christian Boos" <cboos@...> 2002/03/21

Some thoughts on the 2 first Windows issues, plus a 4th one...

[#36496] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/03/21

"Christian Boos" <cboos@bct-technology.com> writes:

[#36510] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — nobu.nokada@... 2002/03/21

Hi,

[#36514] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/03/21

nobu.nokada@softhome.net writes:

[#36518] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — nobu.nokada@... 2002/03/21

Hi,

[#36211] dots in Dir.entries — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hi,

22 messages 2002/03/19

[#36231] style choice — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

A style question for the community ... which of the following do you prefer, and

18 messages 2002/03/19

[#36345] ANN: REXML 2.0 — Sean Russell <ser@...>

I have a feeling there will only be three major revisions of REXML. Version

19 messages 2002/03/20

[#36610] Re: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:11:55 GMT, Dave Thomas <Dave@PragmaticProgrammer.com> wrote:

16 messages 2002/03/22

[#36645] Ruby for Mac OS 10.1 — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi:

28 messages 2002/03/23

[#36768] Re: Difference between 'do' and 'begin' — Clemens Hintze <c.hintze@...>

In <slrna9ulvi.f2h.mwg@fluffy.isd.dp.ua> Wladimir Mutel <mwg@fluffy.isd.dp.ua> writes:

23 messages 2002/03/26
[#36783] RE: Difference between 'do' and 'begin' — <james@...> 2002/03/26

[#36792] Re: Difference between 'do' and 'begin' — Kent Dahl <kentda@...> 2002/03/26

james@rubyxml.com wrote:

[#36808] Error calling Tk in a loop — <james@...>

I'm trying to write some code that pops up a Tk window when for certain

15 messages 2002/03/26

[#36841] RE: Windows version of Ruby (proposals) — "Andres Hidalgo" <sol123@...>

I believe that Ruby has a place in windows (Office), I happened to have

14 messages 2002/03/27

[#36863] Hash.new(Hash.new) doesn't use Hash.new as default value — "Jonas Delfs" <jonas@...>

Hi -

18 messages 2002/03/27

[#37080] Why isn't Math object-oriented? — Bil Kleb <W.L.Kleb@...>

So I'm reading along in the Pixaxe book (yet again), and I am told

15 messages 2002/03/30

[#37121] String#begins?(s) — timsuth@... (Tim Sutherland)

class String

24 messages 2002/03/31

RE: testunit - setup -> set_up ?

From: "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>
Date: 2002-03-13 22:00:08 UTC
List: ruby-talk #35793
Morris, Chris [mailto:chris.morris@snelling.com] wrote:

> I'm just starting to use testunit instead of rubyunit ... I 
> noticed with an existing RUNIT::TestCase, when I changed it 
> over to Test::Unit::TestCase, setup wasn't called, it's now 
> set_up. Why the change and can testunit alias setup to set_up? 

To answer the first question, Test::Unit uses #set_up because it's
proper grammar. "Setup" is only one word if it is used as a noun, and
within the context of a testing framework, we use "set up" as a verb,
i.e. "Set up the test now."

To answer the second question, I'm of a divided mind on aliasing. On the
one hand, I like the idea of having very consistent naming for all
tests. It's easier for me to read other people's tests when they use the
same names as all the other tests I read. It's also much easier to do
programmatic processing on a set of tests if there are not aliased
methods that have to be dealt with in their various forms (i.e. if an
extension writer wants to grab every set up method, it's a pain for him
to have to deal with both #set_up and #setup).

On the other hand, I'd like the framework to obey POLS, and there are
things that some people expect, such as #assert_equals instead of
#assert_equal and #setup instead of #set_up. I will say that it seems
much of the surprise that's occurring (with these two names in
particular) has more to do with people being used to doing surprising
things than it does with people naturally gravitating towards those
things. Expectations have been redefined for some subset of the users,
and thus they go "Oh!" when it doesn't work how they've come to expect.

For #assert_equals, my current plan is to _not_ alias (I know you didn't
ask, but I've been asked this several times privately, so I thought I'd
answer it in public while I'm on this topic). If you use the wrong name,
it will cause an error, and you'll have to fix it. To fix it, a simple
search and replace suffices. The advantage of aliasing in this case does
not seem to outweight the disadvantages.

For #setup, there is another issue: it fails silently. I've converted
code from Lapidary to Test::Unit several times and had it suddenly stop
working. Aack! What's wrong? Oh, I forgot to rename #setup to #set_up.
This is dangerous and just plain aggravating. There are two solutions.
One is to issue a warning if you have a method named #setup. Another is
to alias #setup to #set_up (actually it's not as simple as aliasing,
which is part of why I don't like this option, but I can do it).

Thoughts?


Nathaniel

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