From: "John van V." Date: 2001-02-14T01:08:58+09:00 Subject: [ruby-talk:10790] Re: Eric S. Raymond... bad-mouthing perl too !! Robert Feldt: > I fully agree. We shouldn't start an advocacy "war"/dispute. John van V: Glad you agree, dont worry about religous wars... I'm a pacifist ;) > I guess it might be a good thing to have a web page with stats > ...but I doubt it would change his view of Ruby as of now. I had a blue-collar background prior to becoming a Unix admin. I never expected much logic to come down from corporate management, but over the past year I have seen the same illogic come from the "un-managed" free s/w industry. Ruby, python, perl are less than half a decade old in their present incarnations, where as the peer-review process predates the days when doctors figured out that they have to wash their hands before surgery. In terms of Perl, many, if not most, CPAN modules are suspect; attempts at repair usually die in flame wars. Perl 5.6 was falsely named "stable" deliberately to move it into a wider testing space. This is ruining our reputation. It looks like this decision was made by ActiveState and supported by OReilly thru perl.com . Behind both those companies are AOL and Microsoft. There is a perler who was on the inside who shared monoply-conspiracy information w/ me that I can't relate in detail. Since peer-review is the perl QA process, and the peers are starting to look pretty lame, perl needs a new quality paradigm. Field testing comes to mind, tho the mutual respect and support necessary for this effect is in very short supply. How this affects ruby I dont know, but I bet ruby and python are safe as long as they remain below the radar. So maybe we should thank ESR ===== John van Vlaanderen ############################################# # CXN, Inc. Contact: john@thinman.com # # # Proud Sponsor of Perl/Unix of NY # # http://puny.vm.com # ############################################# __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/