[#10209] Market for XML Web stuff — Matt Sergeant <matt@...>

I'm trying to get a handle on what the size of the market for AxKit would be

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[#10238] RFC: RubyVM (long) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

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[#10364] Re: RFC: RubyVM (long) — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2001/02/05

[#10708] Suggestion for threading model — Stephen White <spwhite@...>

I've been playing around with multi-threading. I notice that there are

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[#10853] Re: RubyChangeRequest #U002: new proper name for Hash#indexes, Array#indexes — "Mike Wilson" <wmwilson01@...>

10 messages 2001/02/14

[#11037] to_s and << — "Brent Rowland" <tarod@...>

list = [1, 2.3, 'four', false]

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[#11094] Re: Summary: RCR #U002 - proper new name fo r indexes — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

12 messages 2001/02/19

[#11131] Re: Summary: RCR #U002 - proper new name fo r indexes — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

Robert Feldt wrote:

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[#11251] Programming Ruby is now online — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

36 messages 2001/02/21

[#11469] XML-RPC and KDE — schuerig@... (Michael Schuerig)

23 messages 2001/02/24
[#11490] Re: XML-RPC and KDE — schuerig@... (Michael Schuerig) 2001/02/24

Michael Neumann <neumann@s-direktnet.de> wrote:

[#11491] Negative Reviews for Ruby and Programming Ruby — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/02/24

Hi all:

[#11633] RCR: shortcut for instance variable initialization — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

13 messages 2001/02/26

[#11652] RE: RCR: shortcut for instance variable initialization — Michael Davis <mdavis@...>

I like it!

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[#11700] Starting Once Again — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

OK, I'm starting again with Ruby. I'm just assuming that I've

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[#11712] RE: Starting Once Again — "Aaron Hinni" <aaron@...> 2001/02/27

> 2. So far I think running under TextPad will be better than running

[#11726] Re: Starting Once Again — Aleksi Niemel<zak@...> 2001/02/28

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Aaron Hinni wrote:

[ruby-talk:10656] Re: How to convince management

From: Dennis Alley <dalley@...>
Date: 2001-02-10 02:18:01 UTC
List: ruby-talk #10656
Step 1:    Honestly appraise the benefits vs costs of a new platform or
language.

Step 2:    Present that appraisal to management with the proposition of fielding
a "pilot" as a hands-on evaluation.

Step 3:    Choose a non critical yet non-trivial application for your pilot;
something challenging, yet possible for neophytes; something *not* related to
your production systems so it will not cripple those systems if it cannot be
completed.

Step 4:    Give it an honest try and *document, document, document*, then flood
the decision makers with those [honest] wads of documentation.

Step 5:    Hope for the best but prepare for the worst.  In other words: be
ready to try again.

<BOL>


Dave Thomas wrote:

> ptkwt@shell1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) writes:
>
> > Managment is understandably suspicious of using Ruby - they've never heard
> > of it before and they don't know if it is stable.  They say there is no
> > in-house Ruby expertise (actually only myself and one other programmer
> > would be working on the system and I don't think it would be difficult to
> > transition from Perl to Ruby for either of us).
> >
> > Has anyone else out there faced a similar situation and succeeded in
> > convincing management?  Does anyone out there have success stories about
> > using Ruby for fairly largescale projects that I can show to my
> > management?
>
> Firstly, your management is right to be wary of using something
> they've never heard of. From their perspective, using Ruby would be a
> risk.
>
> But, you could turn that around. In the business world, you take risks
> when there are commensurate rewards. In this case, you might want to
> show them the benefits on using Ruby in this situation, and explain
> how taking this step will give them a more maintainable application in
> less time. Perhaps you might want to illustrate this: spend an hour of
> your own time putting together a dRB application where one machine
> interacts with dRB objects on a number of other machines. Then show
> them the code, and tell them how easy it was. Finally suggest that if
> they want to kick the tires of this new technology, an internal
> project would be a good place to start.
>
> I know of one company here in Dallas that is using Ruby as the
> scripting interface to a very complex telecom testing system. This is
> a large-scale commercial product which will be shipping shortly, and
> in some ways it revolves around Ruby. Andy and I have been delivering
> Ruby software to clients now for over a year.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dave

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