From: Marc Butler Date: 2001-02-13T13:34:57+09:00 Subject: [ruby-talk:10767] Re: Eric S. Raymond... bad-mouthing perl too !! Hi, I don't believe potentially incubating a Ruby vs ESR, or Ruby vs Language , or Ruby vs . Is at all beneficial. For a well written article see "Why I Hate Advocacy" by Mark-Jason Dominus http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html on the Perl site. ESR is entitled to his opinions; at the end of the day he is just a person like *most* everyone else on this list. :) In addition it should be noted that his reference to Ruby (and Squeak) is trivial, literally a single sentence. Lastly I was curious to the degree that he espouses Emacs-Lisp; showing perhaps an untamed personal bias given his proximity to the subject. Other die-hard Emacs users (I have become quite dependent on it myself) like Ben Wing are more critical of Emacs-Lisp. http://www.xemacs.org/Architecting-XEmacs/lisp-engine.html While I fear this has added more fuel to the fire. I can't see how it is useful to this mailing list to pay too much attention to issues that are often disturbingly resistant to rational argument. BTW: G'day to all the aussies on the list. I'm state side, but missing home. Marc Butler "Politically correct is just an euphemism for euphemism."