[#29932] Happy 2002! — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...>

Happy New Year from Washington DC!

24 messages 2002/01/01
[#29938] RE: Happy 2002! — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...> 2002/01/01

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[#29954] Re: Happy 2002! — Dinakar <Desai.Dinakar@...> 2002/01/01

"James Britt (rubydev)" wrote:

[#29991] Execing command with backquotes — mail02@... (Frank Benoit)

Hi

13 messages 2002/01/01

[#30101] Ruby Weekly News rdf feed now available — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

12 messages 2002/01/03

[#30191] chomp for arrays? — dempsejn@...

Hi All,

25 messages 2002/01/04
[#30238] Re: chomp for arrays? — adamspitz@... (Adam Spitz) 2002/01/04

How about something like this?

[#30248] Re: chomp for arrays? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/01/05

On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 04:53:14AM +0900, Adam Spitz wrote:

[#30357] snippet exchange (was: Re: Re: chomp for arrays?) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/01/06

Hello --

[#30369] Re: snippet exchange (was: Re: Re: chomp for arrays?) — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2002/01/06

A daydream of mine is a "super-require" that if the file was not found, the

[#30401] Re: snippet exchange (was: Re: Re: chomp for arrays?) — Dan Sugalski <dan@...> 2002/01/07

At 06:31 AM 1/7/2002 +0900, Mark Hahn wrote:

[#30195] should I use ruby instead of perl — vekkuli ketkutin <qvyht@...>

simple question...

25 messages 2002/01/04

[#30265] Structs and Marshalling — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...>

I keep getting myself tripped up when I Marshal Struct objects. I typically

18 messages 2002/01/05
[#30281] Re: Structs and Marshalling — ts <decoux@...> 2002/01/05

>>>>> "A" == Albert Wagner <alwagner@tcac.net> writes:

[#30334] Re: Structs and Marshalling — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2002/01/06

On Saturday 05 January 2002 06:25 am, you wrote:

[#30473] Re: [ruby-talk:30334] Re: Structs and Marshalling — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/01/07

Hi,

[#30528] Possible bug with struct.c (Re: Re: Structs and Marshalling) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/01/07

>>>>> "Y" == Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> writes:

[#30546] Re: Possible bug with struct.c (Re: Re: Structs and Marshalling) — nobu.nokada@... 2002/01/07

At Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:36:12 +0900,

[#30274] The Ruby Way — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneiker@...>

Hi,

31 messages 2002/01/05
[#30275] RE: The Ruby Way — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/01/05

> From: Conrad Schneiker [mailto:schneiker@jump.net]

[#30276] Re: The Ruby Way — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/01/05

That was supposed to say "how do I implement a hash with duplicate keys?"

[#30320] Sorting a Hash by value of integer stored in the Hash — Michael Joner <finalfrontier@...>

I have a program which creates a Hash array. The ultimate result is a

14 messages 2002/01/06

[#30327] one liner / overriden class repository — "Jack Dempsey" <dabigdemp@...>

Why aim if not high? :-)

15 messages 2002/01/06

[#30366] class name reported differently in different contexts — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>

30 messages 2002/01/06
[#30380] Re: class name reported differently in different contexts — "Chr. Rippel" <chr_news@...> 2002/01/06

[#30496] Re: class name reported differently in different contexts — <ale@...> 2002/01/07

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Chr. Rippel wrote:

[#30372] [ANN] Invitation to join LotY (Language of the Year) project, 2002: learning Haskell — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Dear fellow programmers,

10 messages 2002/01/06

[#30431] Re: snippet exchange (was: Re: Re: chomp for arrays?) — "Jack Dempsey" <dabigdemp@...>

The way i was thinking of this working would be this: someone has heard of a

14 messages 2002/01/07

[#30461] Re: the [ruby-talk] is gone? — "Jack Dempsey" <dabigdemp@...>

Hi Matz,

13 messages 2002/01/07

[#30494] Segfault with druby and fork — Michael Witrant <mike@...>

Hello,

24 messages 2002/01/07
[#30510] Re: Segfault with druby and fork — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/01/07

Hi,

[#30543] Re: Segfault with druby and fork — Michael Witrant <mike@...> 2002/01/07

On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:37:14 +0900

[#30640] Re: Segfault with druby and fork — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/01/08

Hi,

[#30644] An Update on the FreeRIDE Project — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/01/08

I wanted to give everyone an update on where we are with the FreeRIDE

[#30655] Re: An Update on the FreeRIDE Project — bobx@... (Bob) 2002/01/08

Documentation should also be a big(?) concern. I am new to Ruby as

[#30539] RDoc Alpha-6 available — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

37 messages 2002/01/07

[#30737] rpkg 0.1 (long) — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

<yaaawn>

16 messages 2002/01/10

[#30866] Dir.entries have no home — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

Chet and I were writing a little code manager yesterday and we wrote

38 messages 2002/01/11

[#30920] MetaRuby : RubySchema.rb howto? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2002/01/11
[#30953] Re: MetaRuby : RubySchema.rb howto? — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2002/01/12

[#30969] Re: MetaRuby : RubySchema.rb howto? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/01/12

Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

[#30949] Another suggestion for FreeRIDE — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Based on some discussions over at comp.lang.python...

13 messages 2002/01/12

[#31017] Why I think Ruby will eventually be more popular than Python — gandy@... (Thomas Gandy)

Ruby and Python both play in the same niche: they're both Object

9 messages 2002/01/12

[#31080] Best way for platf. independent compression? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

Currently, rpkg builds packets by tar'ring and gzip'ping the source

25 messages 2002/01/13
[#31112] Re: Best way for platf. independent compression? — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/01/14

On 1/13/02 1:42 PM, "Massimiliano Mirra" <list@chromatic-harp.com> wrote:

[#31153] Re: Best way for platf. independent compression? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/01/14

On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 12:08:58PM +0900, Chris Gehlker wrote:

[#31085] Small Methods - a ramble — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I noticed in some code that Chet and I were writing that, as Smalltalkers, we tend to write really

45 messages 2002/01/13
[#31170] Re: Small Methods - a ramble — Brian Marick <marick@...> 2002/01/14

Ron Jeffries wrote:

[#31099] a wishlist for ruby 2.0 — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>

49 messages 2002/01/14
[#31237] Re: a wishlist for ruby 2.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/01/15

Hi,

[#31276] Re: a wishlist for ruby 2.0 — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2002/01/15

[#31251] Swig Ruby documentation mods. — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

I have been trying to use Swig Ruby recently, and in attempting to

10 messages 2002/01/15

[#31262] grabbing stuff from web pages — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

Part of my web site has recommended books. I use the cover jpegs from

11 messages 2002/01/15

[#31275] how to get all the reserved words? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi;

16 messages 2002/01/15

[#31289] memory usage question — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...>

I need to write a script that will use a hash with 4 million strings of 16

30 messages 2002/01/15

[#31311] Vote for Windows Installer packages — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

14 messages 2002/01/15

[#31404] Re: A question on Ruby Threads — "Tobias DiPasquale" <anany@...>

In article <a242re$gop@ftp.ee.vill.edu>, "Chris Gehlker"

15 messages 2002/01/16

[#31424] A few words on threads — "Avdi B. Grimm" <avdi@...>

Warning: many strong personal opinions and broad

14 messages 2002/01/16

[#31442] #59 Add fsync method to IO class — hensleyl@... (Leslie Hensley)

Adding fsync and fdatasync methods to the IO class will allow Ruby to

17 messages 2002/01/16

[#31512] Hello! Array sub classing? — Markt <markt@...>

Hello Ruby lovers!

23 messages 2002/01/17

[#31533] Possible bug in Mac version? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

16 messages 2002/01/17

[#31564] The first alternative RDoc template — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

22 messages 2002/01/17

[#31658] dynamic method creation — "Albert L. Wagner" <alwagner@...>

I have a need to dynamically create methods with method names

16 messages 2002/01/18

[#31711] Re: zip on Linux — "Mirabai Neumann" <webmaster@...>

19 messages 2002/01/19

[#31727] Keeping track of multiple Ruby discussion sites. — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...>

Recently, Massimiliano Mirra wrote:

13 messages 2002/01/19

[#31735] installing mod_ruby --> seg fault in ruby-rdtool — craig@...

At least that's where core dumped. FreeBSD/Alpha (4.4-RELEASE). New to

16 messages 2002/01/19

[#31741] $_ as default parameter for a function — thomass@... (Thomas)

I'd like the fragment below to produce "blah blah", but it doesn't

15 messages 2002/01/19

[#31882] RANT: Ruby GUI API — Sean Russell <ser@...>

I started this rant in another thread, where it was way OT, so I'm moving

60 messages 2002/01/21

[#31937] Re: RANT: Ruby GUI API — Ben Crowell <crowell02@...>

M. Mirra wrote:

28 messages 2002/01/22
[#31948] Re: RANT: Ruby GUI API — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2002/01/22

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Ben Crowell wrote:

[#32056] Ruby Publishing Framework v0.5.0 — Bryan Murphy <bryan@...>

Ruby Publishing Framework

15 messages 2002/01/22

[#32106] about time for seperate lists? — "Tobias DiPasquale" <anany@...>

Hi all,

12 messages 2002/01/23

[#32121] : ruby-talk seperation — "Tobias DiPasquale" <anany@...>

Hi all,

19 messages 2002/01/23

[#32177] — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...>

I have a problem loading files from my script (I mean Kernel::load):

20 messages 2002/01/23
[#32187] — nobu.nokada@... 2002/01/23

Hi,

[#32722] Re: — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...> 2002/01/29

Hello nobu,

[#32728] Re: — nobu.nokada@... 2002/01/29

Hi,

[#32793] Re[2]: — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...> 2002/01/30

Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 5:05:05 PM, you wrote:

[#32799] $: in mod_ruby — nobu.nokada@... 2002/01/30

Hi,

[#32957] Re: $: in mod_ruby — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...> 2002/02/01

Wednesday, January 30, 2002, 4:55:23 PM, you wrote:

[#32233] Subclassing vs Subtyping (partly OOP vs FP) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2002/01/24
[#33032] Re: Subclassing vs Subtyping (partly OOP vs FP) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/02/03

Lewis Perin <perin@panix.com> writes:

[#32247] Array.last Weirdness — Jesse Jones <jesjones@...>

I'd expect the following code:

19 messages 2002/01/24

[#32312] Serious Array Bug in Ruby 1.6.6? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

42 messages 2002/01/24
[#32315] Re: Serious Array Bug in Ruby 1.6.6? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/01/24

Hello --

[#32400] Re: Serious Array Bug in Ruby 1.6.6? — billtj@... (Bill Tj) 2002/01/25

Hi,

[#32404] Re: Serious Array Bug in Ruby 1.6.6? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/01/25

Hello --

[#32319] looking for an example problem to demonstrate TaskMaster — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I'm looking for suggestions here...

19 messages 2002/01/24

[#32355] RDoc learns to draw pictures... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

15 messages 2002/01/25
[#32377] Re: [ANN] RDoc learns to draw pictures... — "Pit Capitain" <pit@...> 2002/01/25

On 25 Jan 2002, at 9:34, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#32388] Ruby Developers Guide — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2002/01/25

[#32401] Sourcecode dump? — Olivier CARRERE <carrere@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2002/01/25

[#32417] Subrange of String subclass => invalid object — "Bob Alexander" <bobalex@...>

Given these conditions:

52 messages 2002/01/25

[#32445] "friend" alternative in Ruby? — kturing@... (kate turing)

I have a class "Foo". It has a method "doSecretStuff" that I want to

13 messages 2002/01/26

[#32465] rubyzip 0.3.1 — thomass@... (Thomas)

rubyzip 0.3.1 is out.

18 messages 2002/01/26

[#32593] OT: tools for creating documentation — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I'm going to be creating a good bit of documentation for TaskMaster and I

12 messages 2002/01/27

[#32646] popen3 and buffering — Paul Brannan <paul@...>

I have a program test.rb:

26 messages 2002/01/28

Re: Small Methods - a ramble

From: David Alan Black <dblack@...>
Date: 2002-01-14 21:50:50 UTC
List: ruby-talk #31184
Hi --

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Brian Marick wrote:

> But I think there's a bit more to it than that. The literary critic Stanley
> Fish talks about "interpretive communities". Different schools of readers
> internalize different ways of looking at texts, different theories of how
> to read. People cannot easily "step outside" their internalized way of
> reading; they see what (and how) their theories tell them.
>
> And, because readers are also writers, you get reinforcing loops. As a
> simple example, some readers are taught that where poets break lines is
> significant. Each line break completes a thought, even when it's not at a
> sentence boundary. When poets know that, they start playing games with line
> breaks. So now line breaks become even more significant.

Cf. Fish's experiment (is this in "Is there a text..."?) where instead
of erasing the blackboard at the beginning of class, he leaves
whatever words happen to be there from the previous teacher and tells
his students that it's a poem.

[...]

> I bring up interpretive communities because it can be hard to talk between
> them. So much is implicit, hard to articulate. Their practices and tools
> are all intertwined and self-reinforcing, so it's misleading to talk about
> anything in isolation. Often, the same words have different connotations.

And it's not just words.  Cow magnets also come to mind.  (Sorry,
that's an aside to the Ruby Conference interpretive community :-)

[...]

> Stanley Fish's "affective stylistics" reminds me of Ron's narrative of
> reading Smalltalk-style Ruby code. In affective stylistics, you scan chunks
> of text and ask "What is the reader thinking at this point? What questions
> does she have? What does she think she knows?" You (if you are Fish) pay
> special attention to how the text tricks the reader, keeps her off-balance,
> when the overall message of the text is something like "there is no
> certainty". (That is, he likes to show how texts *make* the reader
> uncertain, not just tell her that she should be.)

All of this, though, takes place *within* an interpretive community.
If you ascribe agency to the text (it tricks the reader, makes the
reader uncertain, etc.), then we're already inside a community, where
it has been agreed, so to speak, that Textual Property X produces
Cognitive Effect E (confusion, clarity, etc.).

Which then still leaves the question of whether a programming language
community is, or can become, an interpretive community in this sense.
I have a feeling that there are sort of pre-communities out
there... for example, people who love or hate camelcase, people who
prefer long or short methods, and so on.  People who have certain
affinities of this kind may gravitate in non-random numbers to certain
languages -- though at the same time it's probably unlikely that a
given person will find *any* language to be an absolutely perfect fit
in these terms, and it's virtually impossible that anyone's usage will
fit into everyone's ideal scheme.

Clarity is such a vexed thing.  I believe people who say that they
find Perl code clear.  (I used to find it reasonably clear -- I'm a
little out of the loop right now :-) I also believe people who say
they find it opaque, and I believe those people when they say they
find code in some other language clear.  (Which is to say, if a
non-programmer said Perl was opaque, that wouldn't "count" in the same
way.)  Clarity is annoyingly relative; it seems that what you find
clear is what you've learned to find clear, and/or perhaps are
cognitively predisposed to find clear.

At the same time, the experience of perceiving clarity in code is a
real experience.  So the question becomes: how do we arrange to share
that experience?  Sharing a language is a good first approximation:
people who use Ruby tend to describe Ruby as having clear syntax.  But
we still debate about what's clear and what isn't.  Maybe there's an
irreducible amount of that that we just have to live with.  Then
again, maybe the amount we habitually live with isn't the irreducible
amount....

> I read Fish because, well, I'm weird. But I'm also interested in the ways
> that code unintentionally tricks the reader. The rather simple techniques
> of affective stylistics might help programmers write better, be better at
> finding "code smells".

"Unintentionally tricks" -- now you're *really* ascribing agency to
the text :-)  But still... can you elaborate on what you're suggesting
here?  I'm not sure, in practical (coding, stylistic, work habit)
terms, exactly what you mean.


David

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