[#29932] Happy 2002! — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...>

Happy New Year from Washington DC!

24 messages 2002/01/01
[#29938] RE: Happy 2002! — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...> 2002/01/01

>

[#29954] Re: Happy 2002! — Dinakar <Desai.Dinakar@...> 2002/01/01

"James Britt (rubydev)" wrote:

[#29991] Execing command with backquotes — mail02@... (Frank Benoit)

Hi

13 messages 2002/01/01

[#30101] Ruby Weekly News rdf feed now available — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

12 messages 2002/01/03

[#30191] chomp for arrays? — dempsejn@...

Hi All,

25 messages 2002/01/04
[#30238] Re: chomp for arrays? — adamspitz@... (Adam Spitz) 2002/01/04

How about something like this?

[#30248] Re: chomp for arrays? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/01/05

On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 04:53:14AM +0900, Adam Spitz wrote:

[#30357] snippet exchange (was: Re: Re: chomp for arrays?) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/01/06

Hello --

[#30369] Re: snippet exchange (was: Re: Re: chomp for arrays?) — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2002/01/06

A daydream of mine is a "super-require" that if the file was not found, the

[#30401] Re: snippet exchange (was: Re: Re: chomp for arrays?) — Dan Sugalski <dan@...> 2002/01/07

At 06:31 AM 1/7/2002 +0900, Mark Hahn wrote:

[#30195] should I use ruby instead of perl — vekkuli ketkutin <qvyht@...>

simple question...

25 messages 2002/01/04

[#30265] Structs and Marshalling — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...>

I keep getting myself tripped up when I Marshal Struct objects. I typically

18 messages 2002/01/05
[#30281] Re: Structs and Marshalling — ts <decoux@...> 2002/01/05

>>>>> "A" == Albert Wagner <alwagner@tcac.net> writes:

[#30334] Re: Structs and Marshalling — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2002/01/06

On Saturday 05 January 2002 06:25 am, you wrote:

[#30473] Re: [ruby-talk:30334] Re: Structs and Marshalling — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/01/07

Hi,

[#30528] Possible bug with struct.c (Re: Re: Structs and Marshalling) — ts <decoux@...> 2002/01/07

>>>>> "Y" == Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> writes:

[#30546] Re: Possible bug with struct.c (Re: Re: Structs and Marshalling) — nobu.nokada@... 2002/01/07

At Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:36:12 +0900,

[#30274] The Ruby Way — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneiker@...>

Hi,

31 messages 2002/01/05
[#30275] RE: The Ruby Way — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/01/05

> From: Conrad Schneiker [mailto:schneiker@jump.net]

[#30276] Re: The Ruby Way — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/01/05

That was supposed to say "how do I implement a hash with duplicate keys?"

[#30320] Sorting a Hash by value of integer stored in the Hash — Michael Joner <finalfrontier@...>

I have a program which creates a Hash array. The ultimate result is a

14 messages 2002/01/06

[#30327] one liner / overriden class repository — "Jack Dempsey" <dabigdemp@...>

Why aim if not high? :-)

15 messages 2002/01/06

[#30366] class name reported differently in different contexts — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...>

30 messages 2002/01/06
[#30380] Re: class name reported differently in different contexts — "Chr. Rippel" <chr_news@...> 2002/01/06

[#30496] Re: class name reported differently in different contexts — <ale@...> 2002/01/07

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Chr. Rippel wrote:

[#30372] [ANN] Invitation to join LotY (Language of the Year) project, 2002: learning Haskell — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Dear fellow programmers,

10 messages 2002/01/06

[#30431] Re: snippet exchange (was: Re: Re: chomp for arrays?) — "Jack Dempsey" <dabigdemp@...>

The way i was thinking of this working would be this: someone has heard of a

14 messages 2002/01/07

[#30461] Re: the [ruby-talk] is gone? — "Jack Dempsey" <dabigdemp@...>

Hi Matz,

13 messages 2002/01/07

[#30494] Segfault with druby and fork — Michael Witrant <mike@...>

Hello,

24 messages 2002/01/07
[#30510] Re: Segfault with druby and fork — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/01/07

Hi,

[#30543] Re: Segfault with druby and fork — Michael Witrant <mike@...> 2002/01/07

On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:37:14 +0900

[#30640] Re: Segfault with druby and fork — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/01/08

Hi,

[#30644] An Update on the FreeRIDE Project — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2002/01/08

I wanted to give everyone an update on where we are with the FreeRIDE

[#30655] Re: An Update on the FreeRIDE Project — bobx@... (Bob) 2002/01/08

Documentation should also be a big(?) concern. I am new to Ruby as

[#30539] RDoc Alpha-6 available — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

37 messages 2002/01/07

[#30737] rpkg 0.1 (long) — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

<yaaawn>

16 messages 2002/01/10

[#30866] Dir.entries have no home — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

Chet and I were writing a little code manager yesterday and we wrote

38 messages 2002/01/11

[#30920] MetaRuby : RubySchema.rb howto? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2002/01/11
[#30953] Re: MetaRuby : RubySchema.rb howto? — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2002/01/12

[#30969] Re: MetaRuby : RubySchema.rb howto? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/01/12

Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

[#30949] Another suggestion for FreeRIDE — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

Based on some discussions over at comp.lang.python...

13 messages 2002/01/12

[#31017] Why I think Ruby will eventually be more popular than Python — gandy@... (Thomas Gandy)

Ruby and Python both play in the same niche: they're both Object

9 messages 2002/01/12

[#31080] Best way for platf. independent compression? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...>

Currently, rpkg builds packets by tar'ring and gzip'ping the source

25 messages 2002/01/13
[#31112] Re: Best way for platf. independent compression? — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/01/14

On 1/13/02 1:42 PM, "Massimiliano Mirra" <list@chromatic-harp.com> wrote:

[#31153] Re: Best way for platf. independent compression? — Massimiliano Mirra <list@...> 2002/01/14

On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 12:08:58PM +0900, Chris Gehlker wrote:

[#31085] Small Methods - a ramble — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I noticed in some code that Chet and I were writing that, as Smalltalkers, we tend to write really

45 messages 2002/01/13
[#31170] Re: Small Methods - a ramble — Brian Marick <marick@...> 2002/01/14

Ron Jeffries wrote:

[#31099] a wishlist for ruby 2.0 — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>

49 messages 2002/01/14
[#31237] Re: a wishlist for ruby 2.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2002/01/15

Hi,

[#31276] Re: a wishlist for ruby 2.0 — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2002/01/15

[#31251] Swig Ruby documentation mods. — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

I have been trying to use Swig Ruby recently, and in attempting to

10 messages 2002/01/15

[#31262] grabbing stuff from web pages — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

Part of my web site has recommended books. I use the cover jpegs from

11 messages 2002/01/15

[#31275] how to get all the reserved words? — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi;

16 messages 2002/01/15

[#31289] memory usage question — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...>

I need to write a script that will use a hash with 4 million strings of 16

30 messages 2002/01/15

[#31311] Vote for Windows Installer packages — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

14 messages 2002/01/15

[#31404] Re: A question on Ruby Threads — "Tobias DiPasquale" <anany@...>

In article <a242re$gop@ftp.ee.vill.edu>, "Chris Gehlker"

15 messages 2002/01/16

[#31424] A few words on threads — "Avdi B. Grimm" <avdi@...>

Warning: many strong personal opinions and broad

14 messages 2002/01/16

[#31442] #59 Add fsync method to IO class — hensleyl@... (Leslie Hensley)

Adding fsync and fdatasync methods to the IO class will allow Ruby to

17 messages 2002/01/16

[#31512] Hello! Array sub classing? — Markt <markt@...>

Hello Ruby lovers!

23 messages 2002/01/17

[#31533] Possible bug in Mac version? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

16 messages 2002/01/17

[#31564] The first alternative RDoc template — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

22 messages 2002/01/17

[#31658] dynamic method creation — "Albert L. Wagner" <alwagner@...>

I have a need to dynamically create methods with method names

16 messages 2002/01/18

[#31711] Re: zip on Linux — "Mirabai Neumann" <webmaster@...>

19 messages 2002/01/19

[#31727] Keeping track of multiple Ruby discussion sites. — "James Britt (rubydev)" <james@...>

Recently, Massimiliano Mirra wrote:

13 messages 2002/01/19

[#31735] installing mod_ruby --> seg fault in ruby-rdtool — craig@...

At least that's where core dumped. FreeBSD/Alpha (4.4-RELEASE). New to

16 messages 2002/01/19

[#31741] $_ as default parameter for a function — thomass@... (Thomas)

I'd like the fragment below to produce "blah blah", but it doesn't

15 messages 2002/01/19

[#31882] RANT: Ruby GUI API — Sean Russell <ser@...>

I started this rant in another thread, where it was way OT, so I'm moving

60 messages 2002/01/21

[#31937] Re: RANT: Ruby GUI API — Ben Crowell <crowell02@...>

M. Mirra wrote:

28 messages 2002/01/22
[#31948] Re: RANT: Ruby GUI API — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2002/01/22

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Ben Crowell wrote:

[#32056] Ruby Publishing Framework v0.5.0 — Bryan Murphy <bryan@...>

Ruby Publishing Framework

15 messages 2002/01/22

[#32106] about time for seperate lists? — "Tobias DiPasquale" <anany@...>

Hi all,

12 messages 2002/01/23

[#32121] : ruby-talk seperation — "Tobias DiPasquale" <anany@...>

Hi all,

19 messages 2002/01/23

[#32177] — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...>

I have a problem loading files from my script (I mean Kernel::load):

20 messages 2002/01/23
[#32187] — nobu.nokada@... 2002/01/23

Hi,

[#32722] Re: — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...> 2002/01/29

Hello nobu,

[#32728] Re: — nobu.nokada@... 2002/01/29

Hi,

[#32793] Re[2]: — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...> 2002/01/30

Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 5:05:05 PM, you wrote:

[#32799] $: in mod_ruby — nobu.nokada@... 2002/01/30

Hi,

[#32957] Re: $: in mod_ruby — Eugene Scripnik <Eugene.Scripnik@...> 2002/02/01

Wednesday, January 30, 2002, 4:55:23 PM, you wrote:

[#32233] Subclassing vs Subtyping (partly OOP vs FP) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2002/01/24
[#33032] Re: Subclassing vs Subtyping (partly OOP vs FP) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/02/03

Lewis Perin <perin@panix.com> writes:

[#32247] Array.last Weirdness — Jesse Jones <jesjones@...>

I'd expect the following code:

19 messages 2002/01/24

[#32312] Serious Array Bug in Ruby 1.6.6? — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

42 messages 2002/01/24
[#32315] Re: Serious Array Bug in Ruby 1.6.6? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/01/24

Hello --

[#32400] Re: Serious Array Bug in Ruby 1.6.6? — billtj@... (Bill Tj) 2002/01/25

Hi,

[#32404] Re: Serious Array Bug in Ruby 1.6.6? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/01/25

Hello --

[#32319] looking for an example problem to demonstrate TaskMaster — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I'm looking for suggestions here...

19 messages 2002/01/24

[#32355] RDoc learns to draw pictures... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

15 messages 2002/01/25
[#32377] Re: [ANN] RDoc learns to draw pictures... — "Pit Capitain" <pit@...> 2002/01/25

On 25 Jan 2002, at 9:34, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#32388] Ruby Developers Guide — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2002/01/25

[#32401] Sourcecode dump? — Olivier CARRERE <carrere@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2002/01/25

[#32417] Subrange of String subclass => invalid object — "Bob Alexander" <bobalex@...>

Given these conditions:

52 messages 2002/01/25

[#32445] "friend" alternative in Ruby? — kturing@... (kate turing)

I have a class "Foo". It has a method "doSecretStuff" that I want to

13 messages 2002/01/26

[#32465] rubyzip 0.3.1 — thomass@... (Thomas)

rubyzip 0.3.1 is out.

18 messages 2002/01/26

[#32593] OT: tools for creating documentation — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I'm going to be creating a good bit of documentation for TaskMaster and I

12 messages 2002/01/27

[#32646] popen3 and buffering — Paul Brannan <paul@...>

I have a program test.rb:

26 messages 2002/01/28

Re: Small Methods - a ramble

From: Brian Marick <marick@...>
Date: 2002-01-14 18:18:45 UTC
List: ruby-talk #31170
Ron Jeffries wrote:
> > Now most of us who read larger methods are used to doing the
> > reverse. We look at a big blob of code and figure out little chunks
> > of it. Then maybe we comment the code or make a note or just leave
> > the figuring out to the next person.
> >
> > Tiny methods -- when you get used to them -- are IME /much/ easier
> > to write and to work with.
> >
> > Editor-based languages like Ruby, Java, C++, encourage longer
> > methods because we have to search with our eyes to figure things
> > out.
> >
> > What does this mean? I don't know. I think it might mean that a
> > browser for Ruby or Java or C++ would be really good. Visual Age for
> > Java is really wonderful in the hands of people who learn to work in
> > the browser mode.

As you probably know, Ron, I've hung out with Smalltalkers for a long time, 
but I've never fallen in love with Smalltalk. Part of that is a personal 
quirk. I have an uncommonly bad short-term memory for a programmer. When 
I'm bouncing around in Smalltalk browser windows, it's easy for me to 
forget context - why am I looking at this method? Emacs lets me manage my 
attention better than the Smalltalk browser, as do the (somewhat) larger 
methods in editor-based languages like Ruby.

But I think there's a bit more to it than that. The literary critic Stanley 
Fish talks about "interpretive communities". Different schools of readers 
internalize different ways of looking at texts, different theories of how 
to read. People cannot easily "step outside" their internalized way of 
reading; they see what (and how) their theories tell them.

And, because readers are also writers, you get reinforcing loops. As a 
simple example, some readers are taught that where poets break lines is 
significant. Each line break completes a thought, even when it's not at a 
sentence boundary. When poets know that, they start playing games with line 
breaks. So now line breaks become even more significant.

To me - maybe an interpretive community of one - the physical arrangement 
of code is important. If two methods have something to do with each other, 
I put them close together. It usually means something significant if two 
classes share a file. Browser technology has something to do with this - I 
semi-consciously try to arrange methods so that you can grasp some whole 
story using two Emacs windows and a little scrolling, because that's the 
easiest way to use Emacs - but that's not all there is to it. I think 
physical arrangement gives cues that senders/implementers browsing doesn't, 
and that's probably a consequence of being conscious of files in a way 
Smalltalk programmers aren't. I sometimes explicitly think of a source file 
as a story being told to a new reader about the code, a story intended to 
be read linearly first time through. (And the first thing I do when reading 
someone else's code is scan through files linearly, just looking for 
interesting things at all levels of detail. That feels quite different than 
looking at a class in the Smalltalk browser.)

(Note: anyone looking at my code can tell that all this graspability and 
narrative structure is more a goal than something I consistently achieve.)

I bring up interpretive communities because it can be hard to talk between 
them. So much is implicit, hard to articulate. Their practices and tools 
are all intertwined and self-reinforcing, so it's misleading to talk about 
anything in isolation. Often, the same words have different connotations.

I think it would be neat if Rubyists coalesced into an interpretive 
community the way Smalltalkers have. In the spirit of diversity, I hope 
that community bears the same relationship to Smalltalk's as the Ruby 
language does to Smalltalk: partly inspired by, but different than. What 
can we do with a file-aware approach? How would a good browser and good 
programming practice take account of the way Ruby has no declarations, just 
executable code? And so forth.

All of which is not to say that a Ruby browser shouldn't support small 
methods. The Subject *does* say "ramble".

At 05:45 PM 1/13/02, David Alan Black wrote:
>It's interesting -- you're looking at code as a narrative form, and
>not narrative in the sense of being executed in a certain order, but
>more in the sense of containing a story, possibly oblique to the order
>of execution.  (I don't know that I'm adding anything to what you're
>saying -- I just always find unusual or unexpected narrative forms
>intriguing.)

There's a branch of literary criticism called "reader-response criticism". 
It's about analyzing literature by thinking about its effect on a 
(hypothetical) reader. Some of the techniques are relevant to reading code, 
I think, and I intend to finish a paper on that someday.

In particular, reader-response criticism people distinguish between 
different types of readers. Programmers typically write to two readers: the 
computer and some sort of idealized reader, who basically knows the same 
things the programmer knows at the moment of writing. Programmers might 
write better code if they thought more explicitly about the intended reader.

Stanley Fish's "affective stylistics" reminds me of Ron's narrative of 
reading Smalltalk-style Ruby code. In affective stylistics, you scan chunks 
of text and ask "What is the reader thinking at this point? What questions 
does she have? What does she think she knows?" You (if you are Fish) pay 
special attention to how the text tricks the reader, keeps her off-balance, 
when the overall message of the text is something like "there is no 
certainty". (That is, he likes to show how texts *make* the reader 
uncertain, not just tell her that she should be.)

I read Fish because, well, I'm weird. But I'm also interested in the ways 
that code unintentionally tricks the reader. The rather simple techniques 
of affective stylistics might help programmers write better, be better at 
finding "code smells".

----

Refs:

Stanley Fish, _Is There a Text in This Class?: The Authority of 
Interpretive Communities_. An easy read, especially for literary theory. 
I'd read the introduction last. The first chapter, "Literature in the 
Reader: Affective Stylistics", is quite convincing.

Jane Tompkins (ed.) _Reader-Response Criticism_. Has the key Fish papers, 
as well as stuff from other authors. The readability of the papers varies 
widely. Pretty accessible, in general.

Richard Rorty, _Philosophy and Social Hope_. A collection of essays, some 
about how hard it is to talk to other interpretive communities.

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