Re: OT OmniWeb [was: Netscape 4.x?]

Unless you're going to talk about Ruby support in editors, or little
niches you use Ruby in on your system, best send further replies
privately k pls tnx.

* Sean Russell ([e-mail]) wrote:

> Not (intentionally) flamebait:

Feh, try harder ;)

> Now, that's something you don't see every day.  A Mac user who uses
> vi.

I'm not a Mac user you fiend, I'm a FreeBSD and Windows user.  And I'm
not a vi user, I'm a vim user. /bin/vi is reserved for a statically
linked copy of nvi, not a fragile dynamically-linked-with-everything
gvim.  Same with /bin/sh.  Unfortunately most Linux dist's seem to have
missed this concept and link half the stuff in /bin with /usr, not to
mention fill /usr with as much crap as they can get their hands on :)

> What a dichotomy.  The OS with the shortest learning curve paired with
> the editor with the longest (well, emacs arguments aside).

Vi's not got that steep a learning curve.  The basics that get you
though 90% of editing tasks are trivial, and the concepts of an editor
with modes is only difficult for users with mental blindspots in those
areas.

I'm sure you can say the same about Emacs;  I've yet to look at a full
emacs setup that didn't make my brain explode.

Speaking of editors, anyone played with Vim/Ruby?  Sounds like it might
be a nice alternative to the built in scripting system, but I've not
seen it or the other embedded external language support stuff being used
much.

> "Wow.  Those Macintosh Emacs users programming Perl are real losers.  A 
> *real* programmer uses Gnome on Linux x86 (without a Rambus memory 
> subsystem or a Voodoo GC -- Matrox rulz!) and programs Ruby FLTK apps with 
> vi on zsh.  And is a Catholic anti-abortionist gun-control advocate, to 
> boot.  Yah opensource!  MS sucks!  Boo yah!"

Catholic?  Nah, semi-agnostic atheist who loves nVidia on an Athlon
based system using a BSD, cos Linux is developed by a bunch of GNU
kiddies who can't even indent properly never mind come up with a quality
well written OS ;)

> Err... it just occurred to me that the Geek Code generally condenses
> most of this into a two or three line preferences summary.  I don't
> know if the recent versions include Ruby, though.

Not that I can see.  Geek code looks rather old and smelly, actually,
someone needs to come up with version 4 or something :)

> Actually, I didn't understand the original point; many Linux users
> do roll their own kernels, but not most, I'd guess.

It depends if you tend to have geeky friends who think keeping a generic
kernel around is lame and compile their entire OS with optimizations
specifically for their CPU :)

> And (again, not intending flamebait, but) don't MS users have to
> constantly be installing security patches, or buying new OS versions
> and installing them?

Not any more than I have to constantly cvsup and recompile everything,
or apt-get update && dist-upgrade religiously every 12 hours.

>  |.. "The Best way to accelerate a Macintosh is at 9.8m/sec/sec"
> <|> -- anon /|\ /|

Is that random? :)

My sig's generated by a little Ruby script, although it's nothing
compared to my old ARexx sig on my Amiga which kept track of my RC5
progress, my age, grabbed taglines using pure ARexx (I now use
fortune(6)) and formatted everything exactly to 80 columns.

<ponders a heruistic that compares taglines with message content and
picks relevent ones ;)>

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