[#33161] Call/CC and Ruby iterators. — olczyk@... (Thaddeus L Olczyk)

Reading about call/cc in Scheme I get the impression that it is very

11 messages 2002/02/05

[#33242] favicon.ico — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

19 messages 2002/02/06
[#33256] Re: favicon.ico — Leon Torres <leon@...> 2002/02/06

[#33435] Reg: tiny contest: who's faster? (add_a_gram) — grady@... (Steven Grady)

> My current solution works correctly with various inputs.

17 messages 2002/02/08

[#33500] Ruby Embedded Documentation — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

24 messages 2002/02/10
[#33502] Re: Ruby Embedded Documentation — "Lyle Johnson" <ljohnson@...> 2002/02/10

> Now, I am using Ruby on Linux, and I have downloaded Ruby version

[#33615] Name resolution in Ruby — stern@... (Alan Stern)

I've been struggling to understand how name resolution is supposed to

16 messages 2002/02/11

[#33617] choice of HTML templating system — Paul Brannan <paul@...>

I am not a web developer, nor do I pretend to be one.

23 messages 2002/02/11

[#33619] make first letter lowercase — sebi@... (sebi)

hello,

20 messages 2002/02/11
[#33620] Re: [newbie] make first letter lowercase — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2002/02/11

sebi wrote:

[#33624] Re: [newbie] make first letter lowercase — "Jeff 'japhy' Pinyan" <jeffp@...> 2002/02/11

On Feb 11, Tobias Reif said:

[#33632] Re: [newbie] make first letter lowercase — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2002/02/12

[#33731] simple XML parsing (greedy / non-greedy — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

Suppose I had this text

14 messages 2002/02/13

[#33743] qualms about respond_to? idiom — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hi --

28 messages 2002/02/13
[#33751] Re: qualms about respond_to? idiom — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2002/02/13

David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> writes:

[#33754] Re: qualms about respond_to? idiom — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2002/02/13

Hi --

[#33848] "Powered by Ruby" banner — Yuri Leikind <YuriLeikind@...>

Hello Ruby folks,

78 messages 2002/02/14
[#33909] Re: "Powered by Ruby" banner — Leon Torres <leon@...> 2002/02/14

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Yuri Leikind wrote:

[#33916] RE: "Powered by Ruby" banner — "Jack Dempsey" <dempsejn@...> 2002/02/15

A modest submission:

[#33929] Re: "Powered by Ruby" banner — yet another bill smith <bigbill.smith@...> 2002/02/15

Kent Dahl wrote:

[#33932] OT Netscape 4.x? was Re: "Powered by Ruby" banner — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/02/15

On 2/15/02 5:54 AM, "yet another bill smith" <bigbill.smith@verizon.net>

[#33933] RE: OT Netscape 4.x? was Re: "Powered by Ruby" banner — "Jack Dempsey" <dempsejn@...> 2002/02/15

i just don't understand why it didn't show up! dhtml/javascript, ok, but a

[#33937] Re: OT Netscape 4.x? was Re: "Powered by Ruby" banner — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...> 2002/02/15

On 2/15/02 7:16 AM, "Jack Dempsey" <dempsejn@georgetown.edu> wrote:

[#33989] Re: OT OmniWeb [was: Netscape 4.x?] — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2002/02/16

Chris Gehlker wrote:

[#33991] Re: OT OmniWeb [was: Netscape 4.x?] — Rob Partington <rjp@...> 2002/02/16

In message <3c6e5e01_1@spamkiller.newsgroups.com>,

[#33993] Re: OT OmniWeb [was: Netscape 4.x?] — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...> 2002/02/16

* Rob Partington (rjp@browser.org) wrote:

[#33925] Re: "Powered by Ruby" banner — Martin Maciaszek <mmaciaszek@...> 2002/02/15

In article <3C6CFCCA.5AD5CA67@scnsoft.com>, Yuri Leikind wrote:

[#33956] Re: "Powered by Ruby" banner — Leon Torres <leon@...> 2002/02/15

On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Martin Maciaszek wrote:

[#33851] Ruby and .NET — Patrik Sundberg <ps@...>

I have been reading a bit about .NET for the last couple of days and must say

53 messages 2002/02/14

[#34024] Compiled companion language for Ruby? — Erik Terpstra <erik@...>

Hmmm, seems that my previous post was in a different thread, I'll try

12 messages 2002/02/16

[#34036] The GUI Returns — "Horacio Lopez" <vruz@...>

Hello all,

33 messages 2002/02/17

[#34162] Epic4/Ruby — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...>

Rejoice, for you no longer have to put up with that evil excuse for a

34 messages 2002/02/18

[#34185] Operator overloading and multiple arguments — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

I'm trying to overload the '<=' operator in a class in order to use it for

10 messages 2002/02/18

[#34217] Ruby for web development — beripome@... (Billy)

Hi all,

21 messages 2002/02/19

[#34350] FAQ for comp.lang.ruby — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

RUBY NEWSGROUP FAQ -- Welcome to comp.lang.ruby! (Revised 2001-2-18)

15 messages 2002/02/20

[#34375] Setting the Ruby continued — <jostein.berntsen@...>

Hi,

24 messages 2002/02/20
[#34384] Re: Setting the Ruby continued — Paulo Schreiner <paulo@...> 2002/02/20

Also VERY important:

[#34467] recursive require — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I'm having a really odd thing happen with two files that mutually

18 messages 2002/02/21

[#34503] special characters — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2002/02/22

[#34517] Windows Installer Ruby 166-0 available — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

16 messages 2002/02/22

[#34597] rdoc/xml questions — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

24 messages 2002/02/23

[#34631] Object/Memory Management — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>

I'm new to Ruby and the community here (I've been learning Ruby for a grand

44 messages 2002/02/23

[#34682] duplicate method name — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

I just found a case in a test file where i had two tests of the same

16 messages 2002/02/24
[#34687] Re: duplicate method name — s@... (Stefan Schmiedl) 2002/02/24

Hi Ron.

[#34791] Style Question — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>

So I'm building this set theory library. The "only" object is supposed

13 messages 2002/02/25

[#34912] RCR?: parallel to until: as_soon_as — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2002/02/26

[#34972] OT A Question on work styles — Chris Gehlker <gehlker@...>

As a Mac baby I just had to step through ruby in GDB *from the command line*

20 messages 2002/02/28

[#35015] Time Comparison — "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...>

I am using the time object to compare times between two files and I'm

21 messages 2002/02/28

Re: OOP overhead (Was: tiny contest...)

From: Dave Thomas <Dave@...>
Date: 2002-02-18 03:00:57 UTC
List: ruby-talk #34117
Chris Gehlker <gehlker@fastq.com> writes:

> While I agree with the thrust of Sean's comment, I have to quibble with a
> detail. The degree of overhead that one pays for OO is very language
> dependent. If we can agree for sake of argument that C++ is an OO language,
> despite what Alan Kay said, then the cost of a method call is one extra
> address lookup and the cost of object creation is not that much higher than
> initializing a struct. In ObjC the first time you call a method it's
> expensive but thereafter the address is cached and it's fairly cheap.

Agreed, but in this particular case, the code is changing from (say)

   wordlist.each do |word|
     hashed_word = hash_of(word)
     anagrams[hashed_word] = word
  end

to

   def String.hash
      hash_of(word)
   end

   wordlist.each do |word|
     anagrams[word.hash] = word
   end

which effectively doubles the number of method calls (because hash_of
is a method call itself.

However, I don't think this is an indictment of OO either. When you
design OO structures, you have to make the same tradeoffs that you
make with procedural ones in order to get performance. Sometimes this
means breaking encapsulation in order to cache data, or break long
method chains. The trick then is to encapsulate the damage (in the
example above, this might involve making the wordlist an class which
hides the hashing business from the outside world). I suspect I could
re-structure the addagram solution this way with no more than a 10-15%
penalty.

However, that then raises the interesting question.

Why?

In this case, is there a benefit to an OO solution? Perhaps there is,
perhaps there isn't. But I don't think that it's a slam dunk.


Dave

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