[#14464] who uses Python or Ruby, and for what? — ellard2@...01.fas.harvard.edu (-11,3-3562,3-3076)

A while ago I posted a request for people to share their experiences

12 messages 2001/05/01

[#14555] Ruby as a Mac OS/X scripting language — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

10 messages 2001/05/02

[#14557] Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — Wayne Scott <wscott@...>

13 messages 2001/05/02

[#14598] Re: Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

# On Thu, 3 May 2001, Wayne Scott wrote:

9 messages 2001/05/03

[#14636] Yet another "About private methods" question — Eric Jacoboni <jacoboni@...2.fr>

I'm still trying to figure out the semantics of private methods in Ruby.

39 messages 2001/05/04
[#14656] Re: Yet another "About private methods" question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/05/04

Eric Jacoboni <jaco@teaser.fr> writes:

[#14666] Ruby and Web Applications — "Chris Montgomery" <monty@...> 2001/05/04

Greetings from a newbie,

[#14772] Re: Ruby and Web Applications — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/05/07

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Chris Montgomery wrote:

[#14710] Why's Ruby so slow in this case? — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

Sure, Ruby, being interpreted, is slower than a compiled language.

12 messages 2001/05/05

[#14881] Class/Module Information — "John Kaurin" <jkaurin@...>

It is possible to modify the following code to produce

18 messages 2001/05/09

[#15034] Re: calling .inspect on array/hash causes core dump — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "A" == Andreas Riedl <viisi@chello.at> writes:

15 messages 2001/05/12

[#15198] Re: Q: GUI framework with direct drawing ca pabilities? — Steve Tuckner <SAT@...>

Would it be a good idea to develop a pure Ruby GUI framework built on top of

13 messages 2001/05/15

[#15234] Pluggable sorting - How would you do it? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Hello all,

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[#15549] ColdFusion for Ruby — "Michael Dinowitz" <mdinowit@...2000.com>

I don't currently use Ruby. To tell the truth, I have no real reason to. I'd

12 messages 2001/05/22

[#15569] I like ruby-chan ... — Rob Armstrong <rob@...>

Ruby is more human(e) than Python. We already have too many animals :-).

15 messages 2001/05/23

[#15601] How to avoid spelling mistakes of variable names — ndrochak@... (Nick Drochak)

Since Ruby does not require a variable to be declared, do people find

13 messages 2001/05/23

[#15734] java based interpreter and regexes — "Wayne Blair" <wayne.blair@...>

I have been thinking about the java based ruby interpreter project, and I

48 messages 2001/05/25

[#15804] is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — mirian@... (Mirian Crzig Lennox)

Greetings to all. I am a newcomer to Ruby and I am exploring the

13 messages 2001/05/27
[#15807] Re: is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/05/27

Hi,

[#15863] Experimental "in" operator for collections — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

There's one thing where I prefer Python over Ruby. Testing whether an

13 messages 2001/05/28

[#15925] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "M" == Mike <mike@lepton.fr> writes:

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[#16070] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2001/05/31

----- Original Message -----

[#16081] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/05/31

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:53:17AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#16088] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Dan Moniz <dnm@...> 2001/05/31

At 11:01 PM 5/31/2001 +0900, Sean Russell wrote:

[#15954] new keyword idea: tryreturn, tryturn or done — Juha Pohjalainen <voidjump@...>

Hello everyone!

12 messages 2001/05/29

[ruby-talk:15969] Re: java based interpreter and regexes

From: Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>
Date: 2001-05-29 22:41:27 UTC
List: ruby-talk #15969
Sean Russell <ser@germane-software.com> wrote:

>Have you tried running the benchmark with Java 1.3 on your machine?

Okay, I installed jarkata 1.2 and run the test: Time says 9.5s. Just
to compare, "time ruby ..." says 4.7s.

>I'd argue that this is Java's problem, since Swing is the defacto GUI for 
>Java, and the *apparant* speed of Swing applications is what is important for 
>end-user applications.

Well, then Ruby's problem is called Tk.  I'd separate the language
from its libaries especially if there're not core libraries but you
could drop in replacements.

For example, I once tried the gtk/gnome bindings for Java and this
worked quite well.  It was as fast as any other native gnome
application and you couldn't tell from its speed that it's a Java
application anymore.  Quite nice.

>This is, incidentally, also a stumbling point for Ruby, IMO.  Tk is 
>orthoganal to AWT in my mind; Tk may not be hindering Ruby because it is 
>slow, but it is a fairly unattractive toolkit.  

Oh, yes, that was what I was thinking, too.

>> The main reason is the way AWT interacts with the host os.  Sun is
>> slowly fixing this problem, but the problem is the event queue and how
>> damage events are propagated.
>
>The main reason for what?  The speed issue in Swing?  Or the limited 
>capabilities of AWT?

The speed reason.

>> Java isn't interpreted.
>
>Actually, it is.  This is the nature of P-code.  JIT does allow compilation 
>to native code, but without JIT, Java is interpreted, albeit optimized in 
>pseudo-native code.  Maybe you'd feel better calling it "translation", or 
>"code-morphing"?  I don't see much difference.

Well, all major Java implementations nowaday feature a JIT.

And it all depends on your point of view.  A pentium class processor
is also just an interpreter for x86 code which is Just-in-time
compiled into micro code that is eventually executed by that system.


bye
-- 
Stefan Matthias Aust \/ Truth Until Paradox

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