[#14464] who uses Python or Ruby, and for what? — ellard2@...01.fas.harvard.edu (-11,3-3562,3-3076)

A while ago I posted a request for people to share their experiences

12 messages 2001/05/01

[#14555] Ruby as a Mac OS/X scripting language — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

10 messages 2001/05/02

[#14557] Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — Wayne Scott <wscott@...>

13 messages 2001/05/02

[#14598] Re: Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

# On Thu, 3 May 2001, Wayne Scott wrote:

9 messages 2001/05/03

[#14636] Yet another "About private methods" question — Eric Jacoboni <jacoboni@...2.fr>

I'm still trying to figure out the semantics of private methods in Ruby.

39 messages 2001/05/04
[#14656] Re: Yet another "About private methods" question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/05/04

Eric Jacoboni <jaco@teaser.fr> writes:

[#14666] Ruby and Web Applications — "Chris Montgomery" <monty@...> 2001/05/04

Greetings from a newbie,

[#14772] Re: Ruby and Web Applications — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/05/07

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Chris Montgomery wrote:

[#14710] Why's Ruby so slow in this case? — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

Sure, Ruby, being interpreted, is slower than a compiled language.

12 messages 2001/05/05

[#14881] Class/Module Information — "John Kaurin" <jkaurin@...>

It is possible to modify the following code to produce

18 messages 2001/05/09

[#15034] Re: calling .inspect on array/hash causes core dump — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "A" == Andreas Riedl <viisi@chello.at> writes:

15 messages 2001/05/12

[#15198] Re: Q: GUI framework with direct drawing ca pabilities? — Steve Tuckner <SAT@...>

Would it be a good idea to develop a pure Ruby GUI framework built on top of

13 messages 2001/05/15

[#15234] Pluggable sorting - How would you do it? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Hello all,

16 messages 2001/05/16

[#15549] ColdFusion for Ruby — "Michael Dinowitz" <mdinowit@...2000.com>

I don't currently use Ruby. To tell the truth, I have no real reason to. I'd

12 messages 2001/05/22

[#15569] I like ruby-chan ... — Rob Armstrong <rob@...>

Ruby is more human(e) than Python. We already have too many animals :-).

15 messages 2001/05/23

[#15601] How to avoid spelling mistakes of variable names — ndrochak@... (Nick Drochak)

Since Ruby does not require a variable to be declared, do people find

13 messages 2001/05/23

[#15734] java based interpreter and regexes — "Wayne Blair" <wayne.blair@...>

I have been thinking about the java based ruby interpreter project, and I

48 messages 2001/05/25

[#15804] is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — mirian@... (Mirian Crzig Lennox)

Greetings to all. I am a newcomer to Ruby and I am exploring the

13 messages 2001/05/27
[#15807] Re: is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/05/27

Hi,

[#15863] Experimental "in" operator for collections — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

There's one thing where I prefer Python over Ruby. Testing whether an

13 messages 2001/05/28

[#15925] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "M" == Mike <mike@lepton.fr> writes:

43 messages 2001/05/29
[#16070] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2001/05/31

----- Original Message -----

[#16081] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/05/31

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:53:17AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#16088] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Dan Moniz <dnm@...> 2001/05/31

At 11:01 PM 5/31/2001 +0900, Sean Russell wrote:

[#15954] new keyword idea: tryreturn, tryturn or done — Juha Pohjalainen <voidjump@...>

Hello everyone!

12 messages 2001/05/29

[ruby-talk:14556] Ruby code: the lost generation

From: David Alan Black <dblack@...>
Date: 2001-05-02 23:23:40 UTC
List: ruby-talk #14556
Hello --

With apologies to those who wish this list were *either* technical
*or* philosophical, I've got a few techno-philosophical comments :-)
These comments are prompted by some recent RCR- and RAA-related
discussions.

We've got two basic mechanisms for publically extending Ruby: language
change (RCR) and module/software archive (RAA).  That's perfectly
fine.  I mean, there's room for those mechanisms to evolve, but
basically having them is fine.

However....

It seems to me that Ruby happens to excel in generating, or inspiring,
a type of code which unfortunately falls right into the void between
RCR and RAA.  I'm thinking of things like the by-products of RCR
discussions.  Say we talk about Array#insert, or Array#to_h, or
whatever.  Often, several suggested versions are perfectly respectable
and useful in their own way.  Of course if the method is going to be
part of the language then one version has to prevail.  But then the
other ideas more or less vanish, at least from the communal radar.

The language-change/RCR process inevitably (and understandably) has
this winner-take-all aspect to it.  On the other side -- as a possible
first answer to the question of what to do with miscellaneous good
code -- is RAA.  But the problem is that RAA lies too far in the other
direction.  A five-line Array#insert implementation isn't going to end
up on RAA.

It feels like a lot of Ruby energy gets dissipated, in the absence of
some way to harness this realm of code.  Of course we can all
cut-and-paste good code from ruby-talk -- and maybe it will turn out
that any other approach ends up just being a fancy way to achieve more
or less that effect.  But I do wonder whether there's some more
systematic way to leverage the (to me) sometimes startlingly powerful
little language enhancements and extensions that get thrown around.
Some way for very small, even tiny, libraries and tweakings to travel,
almost style-sheet-like, with larger bodies of code.  Or something.

I know I'm starting to dovetail with other discussions (raa.succ,
ideas about dynamic library retrieval, etc.), and indeed all of this
flows into the same stream.  I just keep coming back to this
particular take on it, which I think is potentially quite important.


David (who will stop trying to edit this post down because it gets
longer every time)

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