[#14464] who uses Python or Ruby, and for what? — ellard2@...01.fas.harvard.edu (-11,3-3562,3-3076)

A while ago I posted a request for people to share their experiences

12 messages 2001/05/01

[#14555] Ruby as a Mac OS/X scripting language — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

10 messages 2001/05/02

[#14557] Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — Wayne Scott <wscott@...>

13 messages 2001/05/02

[#14598] Re: Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

# On Thu, 3 May 2001, Wayne Scott wrote:

9 messages 2001/05/03

[#14636] Yet another "About private methods" question — Eric Jacoboni <jacoboni@...2.fr>

I'm still trying to figure out the semantics of private methods in Ruby.

39 messages 2001/05/04
[#14656] Re: Yet another "About private methods" question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/05/04

Eric Jacoboni <jaco@teaser.fr> writes:

[#14666] Ruby and Web Applications — "Chris Montgomery" <monty@...> 2001/05/04

Greetings from a newbie,

[#14772] Re: Ruby and Web Applications — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/05/07

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Chris Montgomery wrote:

[#14710] Why's Ruby so slow in this case? — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

Sure, Ruby, being interpreted, is slower than a compiled language.

12 messages 2001/05/05

[#14881] Class/Module Information — "John Kaurin" <jkaurin@...>

It is possible to modify the following code to produce

18 messages 2001/05/09

[#15034] Re: calling .inspect on array/hash causes core dump — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "A" == Andreas Riedl <viisi@chello.at> writes:

15 messages 2001/05/12

[#15198] Re: Q: GUI framework with direct drawing ca pabilities? — Steve Tuckner <SAT@...>

Would it be a good idea to develop a pure Ruby GUI framework built on top of

13 messages 2001/05/15

[#15234] Pluggable sorting - How would you do it? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Hello all,

16 messages 2001/05/16

[#15549] ColdFusion for Ruby — "Michael Dinowitz" <mdinowit@...2000.com>

I don't currently use Ruby. To tell the truth, I have no real reason to. I'd

12 messages 2001/05/22

[#15569] I like ruby-chan ... — Rob Armstrong <rob@...>

Ruby is more human(e) than Python. We already have too many animals :-).

15 messages 2001/05/23

[#15601] How to avoid spelling mistakes of variable names — ndrochak@... (Nick Drochak)

Since Ruby does not require a variable to be declared, do people find

13 messages 2001/05/23

[#15734] java based interpreter and regexes — "Wayne Blair" <wayne.blair@...>

I have been thinking about the java based ruby interpreter project, and I

48 messages 2001/05/25

[#15804] is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — mirian@... (Mirian Crzig Lennox)

Greetings to all. I am a newcomer to Ruby and I am exploring the

13 messages 2001/05/27
[#15807] Re: is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/05/27

Hi,

[#15863] Experimental "in" operator for collections — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

There's one thing where I prefer Python over Ruby. Testing whether an

13 messages 2001/05/28

[#15925] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "M" == Mike <mike@lepton.fr> writes:

43 messages 2001/05/29
[#16070] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2001/05/31

----- Original Message -----

[#16081] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/05/31

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:53:17AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#16088] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Dan Moniz <dnm@...> 2001/05/31

At 11:01 PM 5/31/2001 +0900, Sean Russell wrote:

[#15954] new keyword idea: tryreturn, tryturn or done — Juha Pohjalainen <voidjump@...>

Hello everyone!

12 messages 2001/05/29

[ruby-talk:14715] Re: Why's Ruby so slow in this case?

From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>
Date: 2001-05-05 18:34:47 UTC
List: ruby-talk #14715
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
> Sure, Ruby, being interpreted, is slower than a compiled language.
> But I didn't expect that it is soo slow!

From what I've seen of your code, you've always ran your code with the
profiler on.

The profiler slows down your code alot.

It may even make execution time proportions different (just like in
quantum physics, observing the phenomenon changes the phenomenon :-)

>   case d
>   when 0

In Ruby, cases _have_ to be tested sequentially, unlike C, which allows
integers only, and can optimize situations like this using a static array
of gotos. 

> def xytoh(x, y)
>   y * $mapsize + x
> end
> def htox(h)
>   h % $mapsize
> end
> def htoy(h)
>   h / $mapsize
> end

Those seem to be almost-unnecessary abstractions. I would be quite tempted
to eliminate them.

> but that doesn't really help.  The problem IMHO is that all that tiny
> method calls take their time and this sums up.  For example, I don't
> really understand why a simple method like
> [...]
> needs more than 1 ms per call!

The measurement may not be accurate. Note that times() has to be called
for every method call because of the profiler, and that it is a system
call, and that system calls need context switches, and that context
switches are usually, well, not fast. This makes calling/returning take an
unusually large slice of the time pie. 

> | x y |
> MapSize := 35.
> x := y := 4.
> Time millisecondsToRun: [
>   100000 timesRepeat: [
>     x >= 0 and: [x < MapSize and: [y >= 0 and: [y < MapSize]]]]]
> => 125
> I'd like to understand why Ruby is 100 times slower than the slowest
> Smalltalk.  VisualWorks Smalltalk needs just 20ms for 100.000 calls,
> BTW.

I translated that piece of code back into Ruby and compared with GNU
SmallTalk. It's only about 4 times slower. Here is the code I used:

require "benchmark" # gotoken's
MapSize = 35
x = y = 4
Benchmark.bm(1) {|b|
  b.report("helo") {
    100000.times {
      x >= 0 && x < MapSize && y >= 0 && y < MapSize }}}

matju

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