[#14464] who uses Python or Ruby, and for what? — ellard2@...01.fas.harvard.edu (-11,3-3562,3-3076)

A while ago I posted a request for people to share their experiences

12 messages 2001/05/01

[#14555] Ruby as a Mac OS/X scripting language — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

10 messages 2001/05/02

[#14557] Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — Wayne Scott <wscott@...>

13 messages 2001/05/02

[#14598] Re: Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

# On Thu, 3 May 2001, Wayne Scott wrote:

9 messages 2001/05/03

[#14636] Yet another "About private methods" question — Eric Jacoboni <jacoboni@...2.fr>

I'm still trying to figure out the semantics of private methods in Ruby.

39 messages 2001/05/04
[#14656] Re: Yet another "About private methods" question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/05/04

Eric Jacoboni <jaco@teaser.fr> writes:

[#14666] Ruby and Web Applications — "Chris Montgomery" <monty@...> 2001/05/04

Greetings from a newbie,

[#14772] Re: Ruby and Web Applications — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/05/07

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Chris Montgomery wrote:

[#14710] Why's Ruby so slow in this case? — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

Sure, Ruby, being interpreted, is slower than a compiled language.

12 messages 2001/05/05

[#14881] Class/Module Information — "John Kaurin" <jkaurin@...>

It is possible to modify the following code to produce

18 messages 2001/05/09

[#15034] Re: calling .inspect on array/hash causes core dump — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "A" == Andreas Riedl <viisi@chello.at> writes:

15 messages 2001/05/12

[#15198] Re: Q: GUI framework with direct drawing ca pabilities? — Steve Tuckner <SAT@...>

Would it be a good idea to develop a pure Ruby GUI framework built on top of

13 messages 2001/05/15

[#15234] Pluggable sorting - How would you do it? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Hello all,

16 messages 2001/05/16

[#15549] ColdFusion for Ruby — "Michael Dinowitz" <mdinowit@...2000.com>

I don't currently use Ruby. To tell the truth, I have no real reason to. I'd

12 messages 2001/05/22

[#15569] I like ruby-chan ... — Rob Armstrong <rob@...>

Ruby is more human(e) than Python. We already have too many animals :-).

15 messages 2001/05/23

[#15601] How to avoid spelling mistakes of variable names — ndrochak@... (Nick Drochak)

Since Ruby does not require a variable to be declared, do people find

13 messages 2001/05/23

[#15734] java based interpreter and regexes — "Wayne Blair" <wayne.blair@...>

I have been thinking about the java based ruby interpreter project, and I

48 messages 2001/05/25

[#15804] is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — mirian@... (Mirian Crzig Lennox)

Greetings to all. I am a newcomer to Ruby and I am exploring the

13 messages 2001/05/27
[#15807] Re: is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/05/27

Hi,

[#15863] Experimental "in" operator for collections — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

There's one thing where I prefer Python over Ruby. Testing whether an

13 messages 2001/05/28

[#15925] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "M" == Mike <mike@lepton.fr> writes:

43 messages 2001/05/29
[#16070] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2001/05/31

----- Original Message -----

[#16081] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/05/31

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:53:17AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#16088] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Dan Moniz <dnm@...> 2001/05/31

At 11:01 PM 5/31/2001 +0900, Sean Russell wrote:

[#15954] new keyword idea: tryreturn, tryturn or done — Juha Pohjalainen <voidjump@...>

Hello everyone!

12 messages 2001/05/29

[ruby-talk:14699] local/nonlocal block vars

From: "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
Date: 2001-05-05 03:23:48 UTC
List: ruby-talk #14699
Well, I don't think I ever put in my (full) two cents...
and frankly I got lost in the details when this was
discussed before.

This was one of the longest threads on the list,
right up there with the "Ruby M*scot" discussion
and "101 misconceptions about OO" or whatever
that was.

So forgive me here...  

while horse.dead? do
  horse.beat
end


Here's my take on this. 

I've numbered the points so that you can shoot them
down more easily. :)

1. Sometimes we do want nonlocal block parameters.
2. Sometimes we don't.
3. Sometimes we do it accidentally. Oops!
4. IMO, the <> notation is ugly. 
5. Somebody suggested a "with" notation which was
not so bad.
6. There was talk about prefixes. Ehh. I like this 
somewhat...

Here's how I would do it.

7. Use a Symbol constant to represent a variable from
the outer scope. This has the advantages of the "prefix"
idea without reusing a prefix like * or &.

8. If you have a Symbol, you use a variable from the 
outer scope. If not, it's local.

9. Disadvantage: Break old code? Waaahhh! No,
I don't like this part either. 

10. And here is the icing on the cake. Let me stir a little 
additional controversy by adding this rule:  "If a Symbol
appears *first* in a block parameter list, the variable in
the outer scope springs into existence then." 

11. Why this rule? No need to assign nil prior to the 
block. Also because "importing" and "exporting" variables
from the block are somewhat separate issues.

Continuing Johann's example:

  # obj and i are *not* defined here

  data_objects.each_with_index {|:obj, :i|
    if not obj.valid?
      break
    else
      obj.do_something
    end
  }

  # But now they are...

  if not obj.valid?
    print "The object at index ", i, " was invalid.  Aborted."
  end

========
OK, that's probably at least two cents there. As Bill Shakespeare
said, "Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!"

Hal




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