[#14464] who uses Python or Ruby, and for what? — ellard2@...01.fas.harvard.edu (-11,3-3562,3-3076)

A while ago I posted a request for people to share their experiences

12 messages 2001/05/01

[#14555] Ruby as a Mac OS/X scripting language — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

10 messages 2001/05/02

[#14557] Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — Wayne Scott <wscott@...>

13 messages 2001/05/02

[#14598] Re: Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

# On Thu, 3 May 2001, Wayne Scott wrote:

9 messages 2001/05/03

[#14636] Yet another "About private methods" question — Eric Jacoboni <jacoboni@...2.fr>

I'm still trying to figure out the semantics of private methods in Ruby.

39 messages 2001/05/04
[#14656] Re: Yet another "About private methods" question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/05/04

Eric Jacoboni <jaco@teaser.fr> writes:

[#14666] Ruby and Web Applications — "Chris Montgomery" <monty@...> 2001/05/04

Greetings from a newbie,

[#14772] Re: Ruby and Web Applications — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/05/07

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Chris Montgomery wrote:

[#14710] Why's Ruby so slow in this case? — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

Sure, Ruby, being interpreted, is slower than a compiled language.

12 messages 2001/05/05

[#14881] Class/Module Information — "John Kaurin" <jkaurin@...>

It is possible to modify the following code to produce

18 messages 2001/05/09

[#15034] Re: calling .inspect on array/hash causes core dump — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "A" == Andreas Riedl <viisi@chello.at> writes:

15 messages 2001/05/12

[#15198] Re: Q: GUI framework with direct drawing ca pabilities? — Steve Tuckner <SAT@...>

Would it be a good idea to develop a pure Ruby GUI framework built on top of

13 messages 2001/05/15

[#15234] Pluggable sorting - How would you do it? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Hello all,

16 messages 2001/05/16

[#15549] ColdFusion for Ruby — "Michael Dinowitz" <mdinowit@...2000.com>

I don't currently use Ruby. To tell the truth, I have no real reason to. I'd

12 messages 2001/05/22

[#15569] I like ruby-chan ... — Rob Armstrong <rob@...>

Ruby is more human(e) than Python. We already have too many animals :-).

15 messages 2001/05/23

[#15601] How to avoid spelling mistakes of variable names — ndrochak@... (Nick Drochak)

Since Ruby does not require a variable to be declared, do people find

13 messages 2001/05/23

[#15734] java based interpreter and regexes — "Wayne Blair" <wayne.blair@...>

I have been thinking about the java based ruby interpreter project, and I

48 messages 2001/05/25

[#15804] is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — mirian@... (Mirian Crzig Lennox)

Greetings to all. I am a newcomer to Ruby and I am exploring the

13 messages 2001/05/27
[#15807] Re: is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/05/27

Hi,

[#15863] Experimental "in" operator for collections — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

There's one thing where I prefer Python over Ruby. Testing whether an

13 messages 2001/05/28

[#15925] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "M" == Mike <mike@lepton.fr> writes:

43 messages 2001/05/29
[#16070] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2001/05/31

----- Original Message -----

[#16081] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/05/31

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:53:17AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#16088] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Dan Moniz <dnm@...> 2001/05/31

At 11:01 PM 5/31/2001 +0900, Sean Russell wrote:

[#15954] new keyword idea: tryreturn, tryturn or done — Juha Pohjalainen <voidjump@...>

Hello everyone!

12 messages 2001/05/29

[ruby-talk:14718] SV: Why's Ruby so slow in this case?

From: "Dennis Decker Jensen" <dennisdecker@...>
Date: 2001-05-05 18:54:46 UTC
List: ruby-talk #14718
Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
| I wonder whether there are some ways to optimize this code other than
| to completely change the algorithm.

Yes.

| BTW, is there a way to profile just a part of a program?

Yes: The Benchmark module.

I benchmarked the different ways of iteration just to show you some valuable
info...

----
require 'benchmark'
include Benchmark

n = 125
c = 10000
a=(0..n).to_a

bm(12) do |t|
  t.report("range ") { c.times { (0..n).each {|x| x*x} } }
  t.report("array ") { c.times { a.each {|x| x*x} } }
  t.report("upto  ") { c.times { 0.upto(n) {|x| x*x} } }
  t.report("downto") { c.times { n.downto(0) {|x| x*x} } }
  t.report("times ") { c.times { n.times {|x| x*x} } }
  t.report("while ") { c.times { x=0; while(x < n); x*x; x+=1; end } }
  t.report("until ") { c.times { x=0; until(x == n); x*x; x+=1; end } }
end
-----

The result:

                  user     system      total        real
range         2.875000   0.000000   2.875000 (  2.850000)
array         2.670000   0.000000   2.670000 (  2.690000)
upto          2.658000   0.000000   2.658000 (  2.640000)
downto        2.666000   0.000000   2.666000 (  2.690000)
times         2.649000   0.000000   2.649000 (  2.640000)
while         2.700000   0.000000   2.700000 (  2.690000)
until         2.680000   0.000000   2.680000 (  2.690000)

| I tried to simulate the onmap() function in Squeak Smalltalk, a
| language which is also just interpreted, garbage-collected, 100%
| object oriented (and at least as cool as Ruby) and that system needs
| just 0.13 s for 100.000 calls

Impressive indeed. And Squak even has a reputation for being slow...

| I'd like to understand why Ruby is 100 times slower than the slowest
| Smalltalk.  VisualWorks Smalltalk needs just 20ms for 100.000 calls,
| BTW.

It is my understanding that Matz is working on improving the interpreter
regarding performance among other things. Aren't you Matz?

Implementations of SmallTalk have for obvious reasons optimized
message-passing since it affects the performance of the whole image.

| If it's just the interpreter, wouldn't it be an idea to implement Ruby
| on top of Squeak, using that obviously more sophisticated bytecode
| interpreter, garbage collector and runtime system?

Interesting idea.

Best regards,

Dennis Decker Jensen

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