[#14464] who uses Python or Ruby, and for what? — ellard2@...01.fas.harvard.edu (-11,3-3562,3-3076)

A while ago I posted a request for people to share their experiences

12 messages 2001/05/01

[#14555] Ruby as a Mac OS/X scripting language — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

10 messages 2001/05/02

[#14557] Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — Wayne Scott <wscott@...>

13 messages 2001/05/02

[#14598] Re: Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

# On Thu, 3 May 2001, Wayne Scott wrote:

9 messages 2001/05/03

[#14636] Yet another "About private methods" question — Eric Jacoboni <jacoboni@...2.fr>

I'm still trying to figure out the semantics of private methods in Ruby.

39 messages 2001/05/04
[#14656] Re: Yet another "About private methods" question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/05/04

Eric Jacoboni <jaco@teaser.fr> writes:

[#14666] Ruby and Web Applications — "Chris Montgomery" <monty@...> 2001/05/04

Greetings from a newbie,

[#14772] Re: Ruby and Web Applications — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/05/07

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Chris Montgomery wrote:

[#14710] Why's Ruby so slow in this case? — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

Sure, Ruby, being interpreted, is slower than a compiled language.

12 messages 2001/05/05

[#14881] Class/Module Information — "John Kaurin" <jkaurin@...>

It is possible to modify the following code to produce

18 messages 2001/05/09

[#15034] Re: calling .inspect on array/hash causes core dump — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "A" == Andreas Riedl <viisi@chello.at> writes:

15 messages 2001/05/12

[#15198] Re: Q: GUI framework with direct drawing ca pabilities? — Steve Tuckner <SAT@...>

Would it be a good idea to develop a pure Ruby GUI framework built on top of

13 messages 2001/05/15

[#15234] Pluggable sorting - How would you do it? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Hello all,

16 messages 2001/05/16

[#15549] ColdFusion for Ruby — "Michael Dinowitz" <mdinowit@...2000.com>

I don't currently use Ruby. To tell the truth, I have no real reason to. I'd

12 messages 2001/05/22

[#15569] I like ruby-chan ... — Rob Armstrong <rob@...>

Ruby is more human(e) than Python. We already have too many animals :-).

15 messages 2001/05/23

[#15601] How to avoid spelling mistakes of variable names — ndrochak@... (Nick Drochak)

Since Ruby does not require a variable to be declared, do people find

13 messages 2001/05/23

[#15734] java based interpreter and regexes — "Wayne Blair" <wayne.blair@...>

I have been thinking about the java based ruby interpreter project, and I

48 messages 2001/05/25

[#15804] is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — mirian@... (Mirian Crzig Lennox)

Greetings to all. I am a newcomer to Ruby and I am exploring the

13 messages 2001/05/27
[#15807] Re: is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/05/27

Hi,

[#15863] Experimental "in" operator for collections — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

There's one thing where I prefer Python over Ruby. Testing whether an

13 messages 2001/05/28

[#15925] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "M" == Mike <mike@lepton.fr> writes:

43 messages 2001/05/29
[#16070] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2001/05/31

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[#16081] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/05/31

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:53:17AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#16088] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Dan Moniz <dnm@...> 2001/05/31

At 11:01 PM 5/31/2001 +0900, Sean Russell wrote:

[#15954] new keyword idea: tryreturn, tryturn or done — Juha Pohjalainen <voidjump@...>

Hello everyone!

12 messages 2001/05/29

[ruby-talk:15942] Re: java based interpreter and regexes

From: Sean Russell <ser@...>
Date: 2001-05-29 16:08:25 UTC
List: ruby-talk #15942
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Je Dimancxo 27 Majo 2001 15:40, vi skribis:
> 1.4 should be at least as fast as 1.3, it might include some debug
> code as it's still a beta.  I've heard reports both that 1.4 is
> significantly faster and slower than the 1.3.1 production release.

Have you tried running the benchmark with Java 1.3 on your machine?

> However, if the RubyWin version is faster than the GCC version, this

Oh, I thought the RubyWin version was GCC, and that you had been using Ruby 
compiled with CygWin.  Again, I know almost nothing about Windows; I've never 
used it.

> >Yes, and no.  Swing is comparatively slow, no matter what you do.
>
> But this isn't a problem of the Java VM but of the Swing and AWT
> architecture.  Erich Gamma (of Pattern fame) used to give talks about

I'd argue that this is Java's problem, since Swing is the defacto GUI for 
Java, and the *apparant* speed of Swing applications is what is important for 
end-user applications.  This is what I was talking about when I said that the 
slow "speed" of Java is what has hindered its acceptance as a GUI application 
development platform.  Very few applications use AWT because of its 
limitations, even given its better performance.  Without a speedy, powerful 
GUI, Java is relegated to back-room server applications.

This is, incidentally, also a stumbling point for Ruby, IMO.  Tk is 
orthoganal to AWT in my mind; Tk may not be hindering Ruby because it is 
slow, but it is a fairly unattractive toolkit.  A better binding is needed.  
I started to work on a wxWindows API for Ruby, but I don't know how much time 
I'll be able to invest in it.

> The main reason is the way AWT interacts with the host os.  Sun is
> slowly fixing this problem, but the problem is the event queue and how
> damage events are propagated.

The main reason for what?  The speed issue in Swing?  Or the limited 
capabilities of AWT?

> > of comparing apples to apples (OO to OO), but I'm still confused about
> > your results which indicated that interpreted OO code is faster than
> > native functional code.
>
> Java isn't interpreted.

Actually, it is.  This is the nature of P-code.  JIT does allow compilation 
to native code, but without JIT, Java is interpreted, albeit optimized in 
pseudo-native code.  Maybe you'd feel better calling it "translation", or 
"code-morphing"?  I don't see much difference.

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