[#14464] who uses Python or Ruby, and for what? — ellard2@...01.fas.harvard.edu (-11,3-3562,3-3076)

A while ago I posted a request for people to share their experiences

12 messages 2001/05/01

[#14555] Ruby as a Mac OS/X scripting language — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

10 messages 2001/05/02

[#14557] Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — Wayne Scott <wscott@...>

13 messages 2001/05/02

[#14598] Re: Arggg Bitten by the block var scope feature!!! — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

# On Thu, 3 May 2001, Wayne Scott wrote:

9 messages 2001/05/03

[#14636] Yet another "About private methods" question — Eric Jacoboni <jacoboni@...2.fr>

I'm still trying to figure out the semantics of private methods in Ruby.

39 messages 2001/05/04
[#14656] Re: Yet another "About private methods" question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/05/04

Eric Jacoboni <jaco@teaser.fr> writes:

[#14666] Ruby and Web Applications — "Chris Montgomery" <monty@...> 2001/05/04

Greetings from a newbie,

[#14772] Re: Ruby and Web Applications — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/05/07

On Sat, 5 May 2001, Chris Montgomery wrote:

[#14710] Why's Ruby so slow in this case? — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

Sure, Ruby, being interpreted, is slower than a compiled language.

12 messages 2001/05/05

[#14881] Class/Module Information — "John Kaurin" <jkaurin@...>

It is possible to modify the following code to produce

18 messages 2001/05/09

[#15034] Re: calling .inspect on array/hash causes core dump — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "A" == Andreas Riedl <viisi@chello.at> writes:

15 messages 2001/05/12

[#15198] Re: Q: GUI framework with direct drawing ca pabilities? — Steve Tuckner <SAT@...>

Would it be a good idea to develop a pure Ruby GUI framework built on top of

13 messages 2001/05/15

[#15234] Pluggable sorting - How would you do it? — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

Hello all,

16 messages 2001/05/16

[#15549] ColdFusion for Ruby — "Michael Dinowitz" <mdinowit@...2000.com>

I don't currently use Ruby. To tell the truth, I have no real reason to. I'd

12 messages 2001/05/22

[#15569] I like ruby-chan ... — Rob Armstrong <rob@...>

Ruby is more human(e) than Python. We already have too many animals :-).

15 messages 2001/05/23

[#15601] How to avoid spelling mistakes of variable names — ndrochak@... (Nick Drochak)

Since Ruby does not require a variable to be declared, do people find

13 messages 2001/05/23

[#15734] java based interpreter and regexes — "Wayne Blair" <wayne.blair@...>

I have been thinking about the java based ruby interpreter project, and I

48 messages 2001/05/25

[#15804] is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — mirian@... (Mirian Crzig Lennox)

Greetings to all. I am a newcomer to Ruby and I am exploring the

13 messages 2001/05/27
[#15807] Re: is it possible to dynamically coerce objects types in Ruby? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/05/27

Hi,

[#15863] Experimental "in" operator for collections — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

There's one thing where I prefer Python over Ruby. Testing whether an

13 messages 2001/05/28

[#15925] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "M" == Mike <mike@lepton.fr> writes:

43 messages 2001/05/29
[#16070] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...> 2001/05/31

----- Original Message -----

[#16081] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/05/31

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 11:53:17AM +0900, Hal E. Fulton wrote:

[#16088] Re: Block arguments vs method arguments — Dan Moniz <dnm@...> 2001/05/31

At 11:01 PM 5/31/2001 +0900, Sean Russell wrote:

[#15954] new keyword idea: tryreturn, tryturn or done — Juha Pohjalainen <voidjump@...>

Hello everyone!

12 messages 2001/05/29

[ruby-talk:15038] Ruby Newbie questions

From: Sean Russell <ser@...>
Date: 2001-05-12 15:21:01 UTC
List: ruby-talk #15038
Question 1

In the Thomas/Hunt Ruby book (is this the book that keeps getting
referred to as the "axe" book?  Why?) there is an example (pg 252) 
of the definition of "once" in Date.  This definition uses the
singleton mechanism:

	class Date
		class << self
			def once(*ids)
			# ...
			end
		end
		# ...
	end

Why?  Why isn't this written:

	class Date
		def once(*ids)
			# ...
		end
		# ...
	end

Question 2
	
Why doesn't the following do what I'd expect it to, and how does
one solve this type of problem?

	module Child
		@level = 0
		attr :level, true
	end

The only thing I can think of would be:

	module Observer
		def observer_init # It seems like this shouldn't be neccessary
			@observers = []
		end
		def add_observer( o )
			# ...
		end
		# def del, notify, each, <=>
	end

I'm aware that the Observer pattern is already implemented in Ruby, and
I'm not interested in a Delegation pattern solution; I'm specifically
trying to solve the problem of needing instance variables defined and
initialized from a Module.

Question 3

My last question is regarding initialization of classes.  In Java, subclass
instatiations cause the initialization of base classes:

class A { public A() { System.out.println("In A"); } }
class B { public B() { System.out.println("In B"); } }
public class test { public static void main(String[] x) { B b = new B(); } }

generates:

In A
In B

In Ruby:

class A ; def initialize ; puts "In A" ; end ; end
class B < A ; def initialize ; puts "In B" ; end ; end
b = B.new

generates:

In B

What is the rational behind this?  Method overloading is fine, but in
the (special) case of initialization, I thought it was generally accepted 
that initializing ancestors in order was a Good Thing.  I expected
Module::new to do something like:

	ancestors.each{ |class| class.initialize(*args) }

I know this code wouldn't actually work, but it illustrates my point.

Thanks!

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