[#6954] Why isn't Perl highly orthogonal? — Terrence Brannon <brannon@...>

27 messages 2000/12/09

[#7022] Re: Ruby in the US — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...>

> Is it possible for the US to develop corporate

36 messages 2000/12/11
[#7633] Re: Ruby in the US — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2000/12/19

tonys@myspleenklug.on.ca (tony summerfelt) writes:

[#7636] Re: Ruby in the US — "Joseph McDonald" <joe@...> 2000/12/19

[#7704] Re: Ruby in the US — Jilani Khaldi <jilanik@...> 2000/12/19

> > first candidates would be mysql and postgressql because source is

[#7705] Code sample for improvement — Stephen White <steve@...> 2000/12/19

During an idle chat with someone on IRC, they presented some fairly

[#7750] Re: Code sample for improvement — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...> 2000/12/20

Stephen White wrote:

[#7751] Re: Code sample for improvement — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/20

Hello --

[#7755] Re: Code sample for improvement — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...> 2000/12/20

David Alan Black wrote:

[#7758] Re: Code sample for improvement — Stephen White <steve@...> 2000/12/20

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Guy N. Hurst wrote:

[#7759] Next amusing problem: talking integers (was Re: Code sample for improvement) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/20

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Stephen White wrote:

[#7212] New User Survey: we need your opinions — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

16 messages 2000/12/14

[#7330] A Java Developer's Wish List for Ruby — "Richard A.Schulman" <RichardASchulman@...>

I see Ruby as having a very bright future as a language to

22 messages 2000/12/15

[#7354] Ruby performance question — Eric Crampton <EricCrampton@...>

I'm parsing simple text lines which look like this:

21 messages 2000/12/15
[#7361] Re: Ruby performance question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2000/12/15

Eric Crampton <EricCrampton@worldnet.att.net> writes:

[#7367] Re: Ruby performance question — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/16

On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#7371] Re: Ruby performance question — "Joseph McDonald" <joe@...> 2000/12/16

[#7366] GUIs for Rubies — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

Thought I'd switch the subject line to the subject at hand.

22 messages 2000/12/16

[#7416] Re: Ruby IDE (again) — Kevin Smith <kevins14@...>

>> >> I would contribute to this project, if it

17 messages 2000/12/16
[#7422] Re: Ruby IDE (again) — Holden Glova <dsafari@...> 2000/12/16

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[#7582] New to Ruby — takaoueda@...

I have just started learning Ruby with the book of Thomas and Hunt. The

24 messages 2000/12/18

[#7604] Any corrections for Programming Ruby — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

12 messages 2000/12/18

[#7737] strange border-case Numeric errors — "Brian F. Feldman" <green@...>

I haven't had a good enough chance to familiarize myself with the code in

19 messages 2000/12/20

[#7801] Is Ruby part of any standard GNU Linux distributions? — "Pete McBreen, McBreen.Consulting" <mcbreenp@...>

Anybody know what it would take to get Ruby into the standard GNU Linux

15 messages 2000/12/20

[#7938] Re: defined? problem? — Kevin Smith <sent@...>

matz@zetabits.com (Yukihiro Matsumoto) wrote:

26 messages 2000/12/22
[#7943] Re: defined? problem? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2000/12/22

Kevin Smith <sent@qualitycode.com> writes:

[#7950] Re: defined? problem? — Stephen White <steve@...> 2000/12/22

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#7951] Re: defined? problem? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/22

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Stephen White wrote:

[#7954] Re: defined? problem? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2000/12/22

David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> writes:

[#7975] Re: defined? problem? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/22

Hello --

[#7971] Hash access method — Ted Meng <ted_meng@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2000/12/22

[#8030] Re: Basic hash question — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "B" == Ben Tilly <ben_tilly@hotmail.com> writes:

15 messages 2000/12/24
[#8033] Re: Basic hash question — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2000/12/24

On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, ts wrote:

[#8178] Inexplicable core dump — "Nathaniel Talbott" <ntalbott@...>

I have some code that looks like this:

12 messages 2000/12/28

[#8196] My first impression of Ruby. Lack of overloading? (long) — jmichel@... (Jean Michel)

Hello,

23 messages 2000/12/28

[#8198] Re: Ruby cron scheduler for NT available — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

John Small wrote:

14 messages 2000/12/28

[#8287] Re: speedup of anagram finder — "SHULTZ,BARRY (HP-Israel,ex1)" <barry_shultz@...>

> -----Original Message-----

12 messages 2000/12/29

[ruby-talk:7482] Re: Ruby IDE (again)

From: "W. Kent Starr" <elderburn@...>
Date: 2000-12-16 23:26:03 UTC
List: ruby-talk #7482
On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Conrad wrote:

> Roughly speaking (i.e. leaving out various differentiating qualifications),
> these sorts of things are major reasons why Qt never caught on as the
> successor to Tk, and were a big stimulus (among other things) for developing
> GTK+, reviving wxWindows (and probably for developing FOX too for that
> matter).
> 
> Not sticking with open source GUI extensions creates (in many cases) lots of
> practical (economic, legal, deployment, managerial permission) problems for
> (many) users/developers of <language>/<GUI>.
> 
> I'm all for people making money off of software--indeed, I hope that people
> figure out how to make tons of money off of Ruby software so as to increase
> the incentives for maximum world-wide use, and to draw maximum resources
> into developing "Ruby/CPAN". But (IMHO) the Ruby community would
> (eventually) be (much) better off in the overall average long run by
> encouraging "2-nd order" or "Linux-style" profiteering on products and
> services derived from a common open source core, especially in connection
> with whatever becomes its mainstream, available out-of-the-box GUI(s).
> 

Stirctly speaking, nothing in the GPL precludes making money from software
development.  What it _does_ require is making source code available. Old-style
bastions of proprietary development argue that doing so reduces their
competiveness in the marketplace.  New style businesses (including IBM which
is, in b2b speak, "reinventing itself") are learning this is not necessarily
the case and that open-sourcing leads to more rapid, more bug-free development
(qualified beta testers can provide fixes along with reporting, for example). 
In the current marketplace, speed _is_ king, so open sourcing can be argued as
a competive _advantage_ rather than a potnential downside.

<soapbox>
Now, in a commercial venue, there _could_ be a downside to
"this_$software_$ux_but_does_something_cool.exe" source code because your
competor can come out with "$sucky_parts_fixed_and_now_does_everything_cool.exe
and blow your marketshare away! But, in the general scheme of things, what is
wrong with that, especially when you consider that end users (and _all_ of us
are in some way "end users") ultimately benefit.

Cornering a market with the only application that performs a specific operation
poorly via copyright and patent, rahter than by quality and features, is
IMO socially unconscionable; in many places in other industries it is also
considered fraud by the applicable legal system.

Competition is great because it encourages (some might say forces) good design,
good engineering and good quality control.  Open source fosters this kind of
beneficial competition. 
</soapbox>

Kent Starr
elderburn@mindspring.com

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