[#6954] Why isn't Perl highly orthogonal? — Terrence Brannon <brannon@...>

27 messages 2000/12/09

[#7022] Re: Ruby in the US — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...>

> Is it possible for the US to develop corporate

36 messages 2000/12/11
[#7633] Re: Ruby in the US — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2000/12/19

tonys@myspleenklug.on.ca (tony summerfelt) writes:

[#7636] Re: Ruby in the US — "Joseph McDonald" <joe@...> 2000/12/19

[#7704] Re: Ruby in the US — Jilani Khaldi <jilanik@...> 2000/12/19

> > first candidates would be mysql and postgressql because source is

[#7705] Code sample for improvement — Stephen White <steve@...> 2000/12/19

During an idle chat with someone on IRC, they presented some fairly

[#7750] Re: Code sample for improvement — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...> 2000/12/20

Stephen White wrote:

[#7751] Re: Code sample for improvement — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/20

Hello --

[#7755] Re: Code sample for improvement — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...> 2000/12/20

David Alan Black wrote:

[#7758] Re: Code sample for improvement — Stephen White <steve@...> 2000/12/20

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Guy N. Hurst wrote:

[#7759] Next amusing problem: talking integers (was Re: Code sample for improvement) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/20

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Stephen White wrote:

[#7212] New User Survey: we need your opinions — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

16 messages 2000/12/14

[#7330] A Java Developer's Wish List for Ruby — "Richard A.Schulman" <RichardASchulman@...>

I see Ruby as having a very bright future as a language to

22 messages 2000/12/15

[#7354] Ruby performance question — Eric Crampton <EricCrampton@...>

I'm parsing simple text lines which look like this:

21 messages 2000/12/15
[#7361] Re: Ruby performance question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2000/12/15

Eric Crampton <EricCrampton@worldnet.att.net> writes:

[#7367] Re: Ruby performance question — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/16

On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#7371] Re: Ruby performance question — "Joseph McDonald" <joe@...> 2000/12/16

[#7366] GUIs for Rubies — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

Thought I'd switch the subject line to the subject at hand.

22 messages 2000/12/16

[#7416] Re: Ruby IDE (again) — Kevin Smith <kevins14@...>

>> >> I would contribute to this project, if it

17 messages 2000/12/16
[#7422] Re: Ruby IDE (again) — Holden Glova <dsafari@...> 2000/12/16

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[#7582] New to Ruby — takaoueda@...

I have just started learning Ruby with the book of Thomas and Hunt. The

24 messages 2000/12/18

[#7604] Any corrections for Programming Ruby — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

12 messages 2000/12/18

[#7737] strange border-case Numeric errors — "Brian F. Feldman" <green@...>

I haven't had a good enough chance to familiarize myself with the code in

19 messages 2000/12/20

[#7801] Is Ruby part of any standard GNU Linux distributions? — "Pete McBreen, McBreen.Consulting" <mcbreenp@...>

Anybody know what it would take to get Ruby into the standard GNU Linux

15 messages 2000/12/20

[#7938] Re: defined? problem? — Kevin Smith <sent@...>

matz@zetabits.com (Yukihiro Matsumoto) wrote:

26 messages 2000/12/22
[#7943] Re: defined? problem? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2000/12/22

Kevin Smith <sent@qualitycode.com> writes:

[#7950] Re: defined? problem? — Stephen White <steve@...> 2000/12/22

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#7951] Re: defined? problem? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/22

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Stephen White wrote:

[#7954] Re: defined? problem? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2000/12/22

David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> writes:

[#7975] Re: defined? problem? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2000/12/22

Hello --

[#7971] Hash access method — Ted Meng <ted_meng@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2000/12/22

[#8030] Re: Basic hash question — ts <decoux@...>

>>>>> "B" == Ben Tilly <ben_tilly@hotmail.com> writes:

15 messages 2000/12/24
[#8033] Re: Basic hash question — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2000/12/24

On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, ts wrote:

[#8178] Inexplicable core dump — "Nathaniel Talbott" <ntalbott@...>

I have some code that looks like this:

12 messages 2000/12/28

[#8196] My first impression of Ruby. Lack of overloading? (long) — jmichel@... (Jean Michel)

Hello,

23 messages 2000/12/28

[#8198] Re: Ruby cron scheduler for NT available — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

John Small wrote:

14 messages 2000/12/28

[#8287] Re: speedup of anagram finder — "SHULTZ,BARRY (HP-Israel,ex1)" <barry_shultz@...>

> -----Original Message-----

12 messages 2000/12/29

[ruby-talk:7379] Re: A Java Developer's Wish List for Ruby

From: Matthew PATTISON <mfp@...>
Date: 2000-12-16 03:00:55 UTC
List: ruby-talk #7379
* markus jais (mjais@web.de) [001216 05:44]:
> as gui development is very importand today (look for example
> the effort made on KDE, Gnome) I too think that it would
> be very useful if one can do Gui in ruby in an easy way.

I agree.

> but to develop a complete new Gui toolkit (if you ment this)
> is maybe not a good idea.

I also agree. Why reinvent the wheel?

> I think, that  Gtk+ would be a good choice as a standard gui 
> toolkit for Rugy, because it is 
> 
> 1. open source
> 2. quite easy
> 3 . very powerful
> 4. is currently also ported to windows

I would add that I don't think Gtk+ is a very good choice (as a standard 
GUI toolkit for Ruby) because: 

1. it's not very object oriented, and I think the OO paradigm works very 
well for GUI's. For instance I heard very cool GUI things could be done 
quite easily in Smalltalk (for instance round windows, I just heard this as 
hearsay, I could be wrong) because of the highly OO nature of the language 
and the GUI system it was combined with. I've heard, as this poster mentions: 

> Qt is also a really great tool, bat I have read, that making
> bindings to Gtk+ is easier (because it is writtin in C, not in C++)

that creating C bindings is easier than creating C++ bindings, but in the
case of a GUI toolkit, in the long run, I think the added difficulty (?) in
creating good bindings for a more OO toolkit (eg Qt, which I really like,
especially since I started using KDE 2, or wxWindows or FLTK or whatever else 
is good and well supported), would be more than offset by the better (in my
opinion) fit with the language. Also I don't think there should be *that*
much extra difficulty in creating bindings, as I've heard Python is
developing quite good Qt bindings (PyQt, also PyKDE), also quite good
bindings to other C++ GUI toolkits. There is also Jython (used to be
JPython) if you want to use Swing, which I've used and liked quite a bit. 
It's a lot easier (for simple things) and more concise than doing Swing stuff 
directly in Java.  

I wrote this email before reading all the further (more recent) comments on 
the mailing list about GTK+ (& a little about Mozilla), but I don't think
any of them really allayed my concerns. I still have strong reservations
about making a not-very OO GUI toolkit the standard GUI toolkit for a 
pure (?) OO language (Ruby). Convince me otherwise.

just my newbie AU$0.02 (Australian 2c -- about $0.00002 in any other
currency)

Matt Pattison
--
Finally I'm a Software Engineer, I can earn $$$
and I'm stupid enough to go back for further study

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