[#18974] Perl/Python/Ruby common backend (Perl6) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

There is a thread about using .NET's CLR as a backend for Ruby, but how

17 messages 2001/08/01

[#19064] ANN: Code Amelioration Contest (presented by Ruby Conference 2001) — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

17 messages 2001/08/03
[#19184] Re: ANN: Code Amelioration Contest (presented by Ruby Conference 2001) — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2001/08/06

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, David Alan Black wrote:

[#19185] Re: ANN: Code Amelioration Contest (presented by Ruby Conference 2001) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/08/06

Hello --

[#19186] Re: ANN: Code Amelioration Contest (presented by Ruby Conference 2001) — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2001/08/06

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, David Alan Black wrote:

[#19125] My 1st look @ ruby: No prototypes and problem with String#gsub — stesch@... (Stefan Scholl)

My first ruby program:

23 messages 2001/08/04

[#19192] Some remarks from a nembie in Ruby — Renaud HEBERT <renaud.hebert@...>

After having read the book "Programming Ruby: The Pragmatic Programmer's

38 messages 2001/08/06

[#19269] Re: Perl/Python/Ruby common backend (Parrot, can Ruby play too?) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

In article <72X97.12093$9i1.972452@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>,

50 messages 2001/08/07
[#19349] Re: Perl/Python/Ruby common backend (Parrot, can Ruby play too?) — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2001/08/08

[#19456] Re: Perl/Python/Ruby common backend (Parrot, can Ruby play too?) — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2001/08/09

Ned Konz wrote:

[#19451] Re: Help! I'm still confused about threadin g in the ML — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

> Is there an Outlook option to turn on In-Reply-To or References

14 messages 2001/08/09
[#19453] Re: Help! I'm still confused about threadin g in the ML — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/08/09

"Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@snelling.com> writes:

[#19506] the way class variables work — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hello --

51 messages 2001/08/10
[#19511] Re: the way class variables work — Chris Uzdavinis <chris@...> 2001/08/11

David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> writes:

[#19524] order and freedom in Ruby (was: Re: Re: the way class variables work) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/08/11

Hello --

[#19517] Why not?: Assigning to self — furufuru@... (Ryo Furue)

Hi there,

55 messages 2001/08/11
[#19689] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> 2001/08/14

On 13 Aug 2001 20:59:54 -0700, furufuru@ccsr.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Ryo Furue)

[#19694] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 05:09 am, Ron Jeffries wrote:

[#19695] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19696] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 07:51 am, you wrote:

[#19697] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19700] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 08:27 am, you wrote:

[#19701] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19703] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 09:05 am, Guy Decoux wrote:

[#19704] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19708] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 09:27 am, you wrote:

[#19709] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19713] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 09:45 am, you wrote:

[#19750] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/08/15

Hi,

[#19819] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/15

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 08:14 pm, matz wrote:

[#19852] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/08/16

Hi,

[#19857] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@...> 2001/08/16

On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 11:05:59AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#19858] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/08/16

Hi,

[#19867] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — "Pit Capitain" <pit@...> 2001/08/16

Just a followup at (my) current end of the thread:

[#19550] Forced garbage collection — Lars Christensen <larsch@...>

14 messages 2001/08/11
[#19562] Re: Forced garbage collection — "Nat Pryce" <nat.pryce@...13media.com> 2001/08/12

From: "Lars Christensen" <larsch@cs.auc.dk>

[#19551] /.ed again — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Ruy gets slasdotted again ;)

19 messages 2001/08/11

[#19650] Ruby Newbie mailing list — Michael Pence <mikepence@...>

Hello all.

14 messages 2001/08/13
[#19656] RE: Ruby Newbie mailing list — "Louis Brothers" <lcb134@...> 2001/08/13

We had a similar discussion on the OmniWeb Objective-C mailing list not to

[#19659] Re: Ruby Newbie mailing list — Michael Pence <mikepence@...> 2001/08/13

I appreciate your references to Objectionable-C ;-)

[#19685] Compiling Ruby with cygwin and Tk support — Manuel Zabelt <ng@...>

Hello!

13 messages 2001/08/14

[#19718] General (GUI/license) questions — Ryan Tarpine <rtarpine@...>

First: Kero commented in the description of his new Ruby Agenda program

18 messages 2001/08/14

[#19755] "new" returning nil: how to report the failure of object creation — furufuru@... (Ryo Furue)

Hi there,

14 messages 2001/08/15

[#19758] The GUI poll is in, and the results are surprising — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

40 messages 2001/08/15
[#19774] Re: The GUI poll is in, and the results are surprising — Lars Christensen <larsch@...> 2001/08/15

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#19784] Re: The GUI poll is in, and the results aresurprising — "Lyle Johnson" <ljohnson@...> 2001/08/15

> Please don't forget what Ruby is all about in this discussion! I think

[#19824] Ruby GUI — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

The concept of a new GUI is somewhat appealing,

16 messages 2001/08/15

[#20033] Ruby Article — Joshua Drake <jd.nospam@...>

Hello,

38 messages 2001/08/20

[#20127] Another Possible RCR - Wrappers via Mixins — Stephen White <spwhite@...>

The main difference between mix-ins and multiple inheritence is (to my understanding) that parent classes do not call child code, but mix-ins do.

15 messages 2001/08/22

[#20135] Bruce Eckel's criticism of Ruby — Ned Konz <ned@...>

Python.org links to http://www.mindview.net/Etc/notes.html#Ruby , saying

24 messages 2001/08/22

[#20183] ++ Operator — kamphausen@... (SKa)

Dear Community,

35 messages 2001/08/23
[#20234] Re: ++ Operator — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/08/24

matz@ruby-lang.org (Yukihiro Matsumoto) writes:

[#20236] Re: ++ Operator — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/08/24

Hi,

[#20209] In Ruby 0 is true but nil is false.. or how to shoot yourself?.. — Guillaume Cottenceau <gc@...>

I have a simple Audio-CD database (using CSV format). I was writing a

11 messages 2001/08/23

[#20254] File.readline(s) — Michael Husmann <michael.husmann@...>

I am reading a 55MB ASCII file by using File.readline(s) which takes on

14 messages 2001/08/24

[#20303] New Windows InstallShield version of Ruby — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

19 messages 2001/08/24

[#20307] Backwards language — "Sean Middleditch" <elanthis@...>

Greetings,

30 messages 2001/08/24

[ruby-talk:19711] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self

From: Ned Konz <ned@...>
Date: 2001-08-14 17:09:21 UTC
List: ruby-talk #19711
On Tuesday 14 August 2001 09:38 am, Dave Thomas wrote:

> Perhaps if we could see an actual example of where this is needed we
> could discuss this better. I know there was some talk a while back of
> some code that handled (I think) archives or somesuch. Could be see
> the code for this so we could think about it.

My discussion of archives was in a different context: that of changing 
classes of objects. I see lots of problems with doing this in Ruby, which is 
why I have been pushing for become(), which would be a cleaner way to do this 
in Ruby (or in Smalltalk).

If you want to see my code that changes classes, it's on CPAN, in Perl, at 
http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-authors/id/N/NE/NEDKONZ/Archive-Zip-0.11.tar.gz

But this is a big module, and you shouldn't have to read it to understand the 
situation.

Here's the classes that make up the relevant part of the object model:

    Archive::Zip                            Common base class, has defs.
        Archive::Zip::Archive               A Zip archive.
        Archive::Zip::Member                Abstract superclass for all 
members.
            Archive::Zip::StringMember      Member made from a string
            Archive::Zip::FileMember        Member made from an external file
                Archive::Zip::ZipFileMember Member that lives in a zip file
                Archive::Zip::NewFileMember Member whose data is in a file
            Archive::Zip::DirectoryMember   Member that is a directory

There are a couple of places where object class changes occur.

One trivial one (in readFromFileHandle()) is from Archive::Zip::ZipFileMember 
to Archive::Zip::DirectoryMember, after the member header is read from the 
zip file. The headers for both ZipFileMember and DirectoryMember are 
identical, except for a single bit that says that the member is in fact a 
directory. Since the incoming zip file that is being read from is not 
necessarily seekable, an alternative might be to read the header data, look 
inside it, and then call one of two constructors. Either would be easy; since 
it's trivial to change classes of an object in Perl, I did it this way.

The more interesting one is in Archive::Zip::Member::contents(). If you're 
reading the contents of a member, the member has its own method of getting to 
the data (which may be compressed in a zip file, uncompressed in another 
file, in a string, etc.). But if you are setting the contents of a member to 
a string, the effective type of the member has to change to 
Archive::Zip::StringMember (which keeps its data in a string). The problem 
with this is that there are existing references to the old member (like, for 
instance, the one through which contents() was called). If I just substituted 
a new Archive::Zip::StringMember for the old member in the archive, these 
references would refer to invalid members, rather than the new StringMember.

Again, because of the ease of changing classes in Perl (and the lack of 
become()), I chose to change classes in this case.

In Ruby, it would make more sense to use become() to do this, if we had it.

I realize that this could be done through delegation to a data-holding object 
that could privately be changed. It's just that the added complexity and 
inefficiency of this solution is more a reaction to language limitations (no 
become()) than a superior design choice.

It's interesting to read the GOF Design Patterns book and to ask yourself how 
many of the patterns given are a reaction to the limitations of C++. Some of 
the patterns would, in fact, be trivial in other languages. For instance, the 
Decorator pattern could be done instead with Ruby's singleton classes. The 
State pattern in Self could consist of merely changing one parent slot, and 
in Perl could consist of a single bless() call to change the class.

-- 
Ned Konz
currently: Stanwood, WA
email:     ned@bike-nomad.com
homepage:  http://bike-nomad.com

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