[#18974] Perl/Python/Ruby common backend (Perl6) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

There is a thread about using .NET's CLR as a backend for Ruby, but how

17 messages 2001/08/01

[#19064] ANN: Code Amelioration Contest (presented by Ruby Conference 2001) — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

17 messages 2001/08/03
[#19184] Re: ANN: Code Amelioration Contest (presented by Ruby Conference 2001) — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2001/08/06

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, David Alan Black wrote:

[#19185] Re: ANN: Code Amelioration Contest (presented by Ruby Conference 2001) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/08/06

Hello --

[#19186] Re: ANN: Code Amelioration Contest (presented by Ruby Conference 2001) — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2001/08/06

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, David Alan Black wrote:

[#19125] My 1st look @ ruby: No prototypes and problem with String#gsub — stesch@... (Stefan Scholl)

My first ruby program:

23 messages 2001/08/04

[#19192] Some remarks from a nembie in Ruby — Renaud HEBERT <renaud.hebert@...>

After having read the book "Programming Ruby: The Pragmatic Programmer's

38 messages 2001/08/06

[#19269] Re: Perl/Python/Ruby common backend (Parrot, can Ruby play too?) — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

In article <72X97.12093$9i1.972452@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>,

50 messages 2001/08/07
[#19349] Re: Perl/Python/Ruby common backend (Parrot, can Ruby play too?) — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2001/08/08

[#19456] Re: Perl/Python/Ruby common backend (Parrot, can Ruby play too?) — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2001/08/09

Ned Konz wrote:

[#19451] Re: Help! I'm still confused about threadin g in the ML — "Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@...>

> Is there an Outlook option to turn on In-Reply-To or References

14 messages 2001/08/09
[#19453] Re: Help! I'm still confused about threadin g in the ML — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/08/09

"Morris, Chris" <chris.morris@snelling.com> writes:

[#19506] the way class variables work — David Alan Black <dblack@...>

Hello --

51 messages 2001/08/10
[#19511] Re: the way class variables work — Chris Uzdavinis <chris@...> 2001/08/11

David Alan Black <dblack@candle.superlink.net> writes:

[#19524] order and freedom in Ruby (was: Re: Re: the way class variables work) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/08/11

Hello --

[#19517] Why not?: Assigning to self — furufuru@... (Ryo Furue)

Hi there,

55 messages 2001/08/11
[#19689] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> 2001/08/14

On 13 Aug 2001 20:59:54 -0700, furufuru@ccsr.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Ryo Furue)

[#19694] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 05:09 am, Ron Jeffries wrote:

[#19695] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19696] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 07:51 am, you wrote:

[#19697] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19700] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 08:27 am, you wrote:

[#19701] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19703] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 09:05 am, Guy Decoux wrote:

[#19704] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19708] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 09:27 am, you wrote:

[#19709] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — ts <decoux@...> 2001/08/14

>>>>> "N" == Ned Konz <ned@bike-nomad.com> writes:

[#19713] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/14

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 09:45 am, you wrote:

[#19750] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/08/15

Hi,

[#19819] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — Ned Konz <ned@...> 2001/08/15

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 08:14 pm, matz wrote:

[#19852] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/08/16

Hi,

[#19857] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@...> 2001/08/16

On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 11:05:59AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#19858] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/08/16

Hi,

[#19867] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self — "Pit Capitain" <pit@...> 2001/08/16

Just a followup at (my) current end of the thread:

[#19550] Forced garbage collection — Lars Christensen <larsch@...>

14 messages 2001/08/11
[#19562] Re: Forced garbage collection — "Nat Pryce" <nat.pryce@...13media.com> 2001/08/12

From: "Lars Christensen" <larsch@cs.auc.dk>

[#19551] /.ed again — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

Ruy gets slasdotted again ;)

19 messages 2001/08/11

[#19650] Ruby Newbie mailing list — Michael Pence <mikepence@...>

Hello all.

14 messages 2001/08/13
[#19656] RE: Ruby Newbie mailing list — "Louis Brothers" <lcb134@...> 2001/08/13

We had a similar discussion on the OmniWeb Objective-C mailing list not to

[#19659] Re: Ruby Newbie mailing list — Michael Pence <mikepence@...> 2001/08/13

I appreciate your references to Objectionable-C ;-)

[#19685] Compiling Ruby with cygwin and Tk support — Manuel Zabelt <ng@...>

Hello!

13 messages 2001/08/14

[#19718] General (GUI/license) questions — Ryan Tarpine <rtarpine@...>

First: Kero commented in the description of his new Ruby Agenda program

18 messages 2001/08/14

[#19755] "new" returning nil: how to report the failure of object creation — furufuru@... (Ryo Furue)

Hi there,

14 messages 2001/08/15

[#19758] The GUI poll is in, and the results are surprising — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

40 messages 2001/08/15
[#19774] Re: The GUI poll is in, and the results are surprising — Lars Christensen <larsch@...> 2001/08/15

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#19784] Re: The GUI poll is in, and the results aresurprising — "Lyle Johnson" <ljohnson@...> 2001/08/15

> Please don't forget what Ruby is all about in this discussion! I think

[#19824] Ruby GUI — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

The concept of a new GUI is somewhat appealing,

16 messages 2001/08/15

[#20033] Ruby Article — Joshua Drake <jd.nospam@...>

Hello,

38 messages 2001/08/20

[#20127] Another Possible RCR - Wrappers via Mixins — Stephen White <spwhite@...>

The main difference between mix-ins and multiple inheritence is (to my understanding) that parent classes do not call child code, but mix-ins do.

15 messages 2001/08/22

[#20135] Bruce Eckel's criticism of Ruby — Ned Konz <ned@...>

Python.org links to http://www.mindview.net/Etc/notes.html#Ruby , saying

24 messages 2001/08/22

[#20183] ++ Operator — kamphausen@... (SKa)

Dear Community,

35 messages 2001/08/23
[#20234] Re: ++ Operator — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/08/24

matz@ruby-lang.org (Yukihiro Matsumoto) writes:

[#20236] Re: ++ Operator — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/08/24

Hi,

[#20209] In Ruby 0 is true but nil is false.. or how to shoot yourself?.. — Guillaume Cottenceau <gc@...>

I have a simple Audio-CD database (using CSV format). I was writing a

11 messages 2001/08/23

[#20254] File.readline(s) — Michael Husmann <michael.husmann@...>

I am reading a 55MB ASCII file by using File.readline(s) which takes on

14 messages 2001/08/24

[#20303] New Windows InstallShield version of Ruby — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

19 messages 2001/08/24

[#20307] Backwards language — "Sean Middleditch" <elanthis@...>

Greetings,

30 messages 2001/08/24

[ruby-talk:19903] Re: Why not?: Assigning to self

From: Niklas Frykholm <r2d2@...>
Date: 2001-08-16 15:30:05 UTC
List: ruby-talk #19903
On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 11:17:44PM +0900, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Once again, I point at my 'state machine' example as an instance where
> 'becoming' could be useful. The 'square'/'rectangle' thing is, as you
> point out, silly.

My 2c.

I think #become is harmful when it changes the interface of an object.

The purpose of #become is to change an object's behavior without having to
manually change all references to it. But if the interace of the object
changes, we will still have to do some sort of manual update to
make sure that everywhere a reference to the object is used, we are aware
of its new interface. So nothing is really gained. At the same time,
a lot is lost. Since objects can change interface "under our feet" it becomes
harder to read programs.

A #become that doesn't change the interface of the object, but only the
implementation, could be considered reasonably safe. Such a #become would,
I think, be OK.

But in Ruby and other "loose" languages, it is often hard to say what the
interface of an object is. Often it is the *documentation* that defines
which methods belong to the interface and which are "internal". It is hard
to see how a check that the interfaces are the same could be done in Ruby.

Then there is the question of whether the langauge should try to enforce a
good coding style, or allow everything and let the users care about shooting
themselves in the foot. Should we allow #become even if we cannot restrict
it to "safe" cases?

Then of course, there is the implementation issue. How much work would it be to
implement #become, and is that time perhaps better spent on developing other
parts of ruby? There aren't that many programs that can make good use of
#become (most people have a hard time coming up with good examples) and
everything that can be done with #become can be done in other ways, without too
much of a hassle -- either by returning new objects (if there are not multiple
references to the object) or by implementing a delegator mechanism:


(Example 1 -- returning new objects)

	class State1
		def transition(data)
			...
			return State2.new()
		end
	end

	@state = State1.new()
	@state = @state.transition(data1)
	@state = @state.transition(data2)
	...


(Example 2 -- with delegator)

	class StateMachine
		def initialize()
			@state = State1.new()
		end

		def transition(data)
			@state = @state.transition(data)
		end
	end

	@state = StateMachine.new()
	@state.transition(data1)
	@state.transition(data2)
	...

// Niklas

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