[#118612] OS X Tiger still including ruby 1.6 — Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood@...>

I'm not sure who to talk to about this, but in my correspondence with

17 messages 2004/11/01

[#118651] symbol solver.. early experiments — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2004/11/01

[#118675] fastcgi performance problems and ruby — andrew.stuart@...

Hello

16 messages 2004/11/02

[#118679] US Presidential Election — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

Election Day is upon us!

135 messages 2004/11/02
[#118690] Re: [OT] US Presidential Election — Ara.T.Howard@... 2004/11/02

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:

[#118696] Re: [OT] US Presidential Election — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...> 2004/11/02

I am neither a Kerry or Bush supporter. Idealy I would vote

[#118681] Re: [OT] US Presidential Election — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/11/02

trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:

[#118734] Re: [OT] US Presidential Election — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2004/11/02

Bush, with conviction ;-)

[#118744] Re: [OT] US Presidential Election — Thomas Kirchner <lists@...> 2004/11/02

On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 09:18:12PM +0900, Richard Kilmer wrote:

[#118836] From getoptlong to optparse — Massimiliano Mirra - bard <mmirra@...>

15 messages 2004/11/02

[#118863] Programmatically and dynamically catching exceptions — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...>

Allright here was my idea which seems to have been shattered by the

13 messages 2004/11/03

[#118965] Ruby Package for MacOS X — Mark Hubbart <discordantus@...>

Hi all,

11 messages 2004/11/04

[#118970] Ruby and civil political discussion? (Re: [OT] US Presidential Election) — "Dave Burt" <burtdav@...>

"David Morton" <mortonda@gmail.com> wrote:

18 messages 2004/11/04

[#118988] rails: gem install rails is bombing — "J. D." <jd@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2004/11/04
[#118994] Re: rails: gem install rails is bombing — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/11/04

> I'm running into a problem installing rails using gem. How do I fix

[#118997] Ruby BitTorrent — (Curne) Simon Conrad-Armes <curne@...>

Has anybody started a Ruby BitTorrent transfer library? I wanted to

13 messages 2004/11/04

[#119059] Will ActiveRecord support Berkeley DB? — "J. D." <jd@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2004/11/04

[#119111] FastCGI parameters (get and post) — "J. D." <jd@...>

Hi,

21 messages 2004/11/04
[#119114] Re: FastCGI parameters (get and post) — Kent Sibilev <ksibilev@...> 2004/11/04

GET parameters you have to parse from ENV['QUERY_STRING'].

[#119117] Re: FastCGI parameters (get and post) — "J. D." <jd@...> 2004/11/04

Kent Sibilev wrote:

[#119176] Re: FastCGI parameters (get and post) — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/11/05

[#119208] Re: FastCGI parameters (get and post) — MoonWolf <moonwolf@...> 2004/11/05

Patrick May wrote:

[#119275] Re: FastCGI parameters (get and post) — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/11/05

Quoting MoonWolf <moonwolf@moonwolf.com>:

[#119289] Re: FastCGI parameters (get and post) — gabriele renzi <rff_rff@...> 2004/11/05

Patrick May ha scritto:

[#119357] Re: FastCGI parameters (get and post) — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/11/06

[#119358] Re: FastCGI parameters (get and post) — Ara.T.Howard@... 2004/11/06

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Patrick May wrote:

[#119132] recursive brace matching with Ruby regexp — Jason Sweat <jason.sweat@...>

I wanted to learn Ruby, so I picked a small task of trying to write a

19 messages 2004/11/05
[#119149] Re: recursive brace matching with Ruby regexp — Mark Hubbart <discordantus@...> 2004/11/05

Hi,

[#119161] Re: recursive brace matching with Ruby regexp — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2004/11/05

On Nov 4, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Mark Hubbart wrote:

[#119148] Ruby 1.4.6 - trouble with require path — primehalo@... (Ken Innes)

I inherited a project that uses Ruby 1.4.6 on a RedHat Linux 6.1J. I

12 messages 2004/11/05

[#119168] value provided for argument with default value - how to check inside method? — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

Is there an equivalent of block_given? to check if the caller provided a

16 messages 2004/11/05

[#119223] GEDCOM Parser (#6) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

40 messages 2004/11/05
[#119224] Re: [QUIZ] GEDCOM Parser (#6) — Jim Menard <jimm@...> 2004/11/05

> <gedcom>

[#119371] Documenting accessor methods as methods — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...>

I sometimes use the method definition shorthand 'attr_reader',

29 messages 2004/11/06
[#119373] Re: [RDOC] Documenting accessor methods as methods — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2004/11/07

On Nov 6, 2004, at 4:23 PM, James Britt wrote:

[#119386] Re: [RDOC] Documenting accessor methods as methods — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/11/07

[#119406] Re: [RDOC] Documenting accessor methods as methods — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/11/07

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#119417] Re: [RDOC] Documenting accessor methods as methods — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/11/07

[#119428] Re: [RDOC] Documenting accessor methods as methods — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/11/07

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#119432] Re: [RDOC] Documenting accessor methods as methods — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/11/07

Quoteing jamesUNDERBARb@neurogami.com, on Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 04:26:26AM +0900:

[#119439] Re: [RDOC] Documenting accessor methods as methods — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/11/07

Sam Roberts wrote:

[#119535] rdoc and vim folding — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

24 messages 2004/11/08
[#119540] Re: rdoc and vim folding — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/11/08

[#119543] Re: rdoc and vim folding — Hans Fugal <hans@...> 2004/11/09

Dave Thomas wrote:

[#119545] Re: rdoc and vim folding — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2004/11/09

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Hans Fugal wrote:

[#119597] One-Click Installer 1.8.2-14 RC9 with RubyGems built-in — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

This release candidate of the One-Click Installer for

22 messages 2004/11/09

[#119598] RedCloth 3.0.0 -- Textile and Markdown Elope! — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

RedCloth 3 is out. You know? RedCloth? Perhaps you've heard of it.

14 messages 2004/11/09

[#119607] Iterating trough hash — Kevin =?ISO-8859-15?Q?B=F6rgens?= <kevin@...>

Hi!

19 messages 2004/11/09

[#119685] new spam at the wiki — Edwin Eyan Moragas <haaktu@...>

been checking my pages and it looks like we've got a new spammer on board.

41 messages 2004/11/10
[#119708] Re: new spam at the wiki — Jim Weirich <jim@...> 2004/11/10

On Wednesday 10 November 2004 02:00 am, Edwin Eyan Moragas wrote:

[#119748] Re: new spam at the wiki — Asfand Yar Qazi <see@...> 2004/11/10

Jim Weirich wrote:

[#119754] Re: new spam at the wiki — Henrik Horneber <ryco@...> 2004/11/10

Asfand Yar Qazi wrote:

[#119756] Re: new spam at the wiki — Charles Comstock <cc1@...> 2004/11/10

[#119796] A Wiki/Spam Report — "Jim Weirich" <jim@...> 2004/11/10

Hello all.

[#119895] Re: A Wiki/Spam Report — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...> 2004/11/11

Jim Weirich wrote:

[#119911] Re: A Wiki/Spam Report — gabriele renzi <rff_rff@...> 2004/11/11

Ben Giddings ha scritto:

[#119935] Re: A Wiki/Spam Report — "Jim Weirich" <jim@...> 2004/11/11

[#119799] array.each restart when array is changed — Kevin =?ISO-8859-15?Q?B=F6rgens?= <kevin@...>

Hi!

18 messages 2004/11/10

[#119825] Arachno users? — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

Any Arachno IDE users out there? Do you mind sharing your opinion of the

16 messages 2004/11/11
[#119908] Re: Arachno users? — Wayne Vucenic <nightphotos@...> 2004/11/11

I've been programming in Ruby for 3 years, and using ArachnoRuby for

[#119826] ruby idiom for attribute definition? — "Corey" <corey_s@...>

19 messages 2004/11/11

[#119878] Thinking About Java Interfaces In Ruby — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I'm currently reading "Holub on Patterns", an excellent volume on

18 messages 2004/11/11

[#119974] warning: redefining Object#initialize may cause infinite loop — Stu <ceaser@...>

12 messages 2004/11/12

[#120037] Copland to Needle article on RubyGarden — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...>

For those not subscribed to RubyGarden's rss feed[1], Jamis Buck has

35 messages 2004/11/12
[#120214] Re: [ANN] Copland to Needle article on RubyGarden (LONG) — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2004/11/13

Chad Fowler wrote:

[#120431] Starter question on Test::Unit — Mohammad Khan <mkhan@...> 2004/11/15

Hello,

[#120056] Countdown (#7) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

26 messages 2004/11/12

[#120061] why does rss/maker not raise errors? — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...>

There are lots of mandatory attributes (yes, which are mandatory is

26 messages 2004/11/12
[#120133] bug: rss/maker is requiring <image> for rss/0.9 — Sam Roberts <sroberts@...> 2004/11/13

It says it is optional here:

[#120071] assert — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

I could not find a standard "assert" in Ruby. Is there one?

29 messages 2004/11/12

[#120248] Dynamic define_method on class creation per module namespace — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

Here's a wee challenge for Rubyists at large. Consider:

12 messages 2004/11/14

[#120261] Countdown (#7) — Dennis Ranke <dennis.ranke@...>

Hi, here is my second solution for this very interesting quiz.

15 messages 2004/11/14

[#120271] Ruby in the enterprise... — "Wood, Jeff" <jeffwood@...>

Hello all,

14 messages 2004/11/14

[#120299] OpenStruct#update ? — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

How 'bout an OpenStruct#update for adding values after initialization. Or is

72 messages 2004/11/14
[#120306] Re: OpenStruct#update ? — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/11/14

On Sunday 14 November 2004 03:42 pm, trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:

[#120337] Re: OpenStruct#update ? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/11/14

Hi,

[#120355] Re: OpenStruct#update ? — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/11/15

On Sunday 14 November 2004 06:16 pm, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#120395] Re: OpenStruct#update ? — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/11/15

trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:

[#120401] Kernel#singleton_class (was: Re: OpenStruct#update ?) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/11/15

Hi --

[#120405] Re: Kernel#singleton_class — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/11/15

David A. Black wrote:

[#120407] Re: Kernel#singleton_class — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/11/15

Hi --

[#120446] Re: Kernel#singleton_class — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/11/15

Hi,

[#120449] Re: Kernel#singleton_class — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/11/15

On Monday 15 November 2004 12:28 pm, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#120380] Arachno Ruby 0.3 (patch 2) — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2004/11/15

[#120485] rpa-base 0.2.3 — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>

15 messages 2004/11/15
[#120516] Re: [ANN] rpa-base 0.2.3 — Matt Armstrong <matt@...> 2004/11/16

[#120626] Re: [ANN] rpa-base 0.2.3 — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2004/11/17

On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 02:08:23PM +0900, Matt Armstrong wrote:

[#120573] Can't Build Ruby 1.8.1 on HP-UX 11.00 — Kevin Hinners <kevin.hinners@...>

I've downloaded the stable 1.8.1 release of Ruby. When I attempt to run make

21 messages 2004/11/16
[#120574] Re: Can't Build Ruby 1.8.1 on HP-UX 11.00 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/11/16

Hi,

[#120577] Re: Can't Build Ruby 1.8.1 on HP-UX 11.00 — Kevin Hinners <kevin.hinners@...> 2004/11/16

Top segment of mkmk.log:

[#120582] Re: Can't Build Ruby 1.8.1 on HP-UX 11.00 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/11/16

Hi,

[#120609] Ruby to C to another language (perhaps Java (I Don't Need JRuby)) — Zach Dennis <zdennis@...>

This posting is more for a learning thing then anything else at this

10 messages 2004/11/17

[#120727] About Regular Expressions — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...>

Lately there have been a bunch of posts on this list about regular

31 messages 2004/11/18
[#120739] Re: About Regular Expressions — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/11/18

On Thursday 18 November 2004 05:34 am, Nikolai Weibull wrote:

[#120745] Re: About Regular Expressions — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...> 2004/11/18

* trans. (T. Onoma) <transami@runbox.com> [Nov 18, 2004 14:10]:

[#120764] Re: About Regular Expressions — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/11/18

On Thursday 18 November 2004 09:26 am, Nikolai Weibull wrote:

[#120754] postgres-pr (pure Ruby PostgreSQL) — Michael Neumann <mneumann@...>

Hi,

30 messages 2004/11/18
[#120772] Re: [ANN] postgres-pr (pure Ruby PostgreSQL) — David Ross <dross@...> 2004/11/18

Michael Neumann wrote:

[#120870] Re: [ANN] postgres-pr (pure Ruby PostgreSQL) — David Garamond <lists@...6.isreserved.com> 2004/11/19

David Ross wrote:

[#120877] Re: [ANN] postgres-pr (pure Ruby PostgreSQL) — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2004/11/19

On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 04:42:36PM +0900, David Garamond wrote:

[#120872] mission critical Ruby? — Mark VanOrman <mark@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2004/11/19

[#120890] Object Browser (#8) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

65 messages 2004/11/19
[#121093] Object Browser (#8) — Brian =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Schr=F6der?= <ruby@...> 2004/11/23

Hello Group,

[#121357] Re: [Solution] Object Browser (#8) — Brian =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Schr=F6der?= <ruby@...> 2004/11/25

So I took some time and refactored my solution. It now has a modular and extendible structure (at least I hope so). It should be possible to easily write non-gtk ui's and extend the reporting capabilities.

[#121006] Re: [SOLUTION] Object Browser (#8) — "R. Mark Volkmann" <mark@...> 2004/11/22

I'm new to using gems. Can you tell me the command I need to run to get

[#120940] Inner Class Relationship — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I have an inner class that needs to send it's parent object (outer

24 messages 2004/11/20
[#120946] Re: Inner Class Relationship — Francis Hwang <sera@...> 2004/11/20

Since you haven't said much about how you're using this, maybe my

[#120947] Re: Inner Class Relationship — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2004/11/21

On Nov 20, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Francis Hwang wrote:

[#120952] Re: Inner Class Relationship — Francis Hwang <sera@...> 2004/11/21

[#120961] Windows - calling system with multiple parms — colotechpro@... (John Reed)

I'm having a problem getting a system call to Windows XP to work. I

13 messages 2004/11/21

[#121015] Some progress but have hit a new error working through the Todo tutorial... Anyone recognize it? — "Abraham Vionas" <abe_ml@...>

The error is below. Ugh. But at least it works up to this point. I don't

12 messages 2004/11/22
[#121016] Re: Some progress but have hit a new error working through the Todo tutorial... Anyone recognize it? — "Abraham Vionas" <abe_ml@...> 2004/11/22

Oh, whups. The state of the todo_controller.rb file that evokes this error

[#121026] Instiki problems — Ryco@...

Hi!

19 messages 2004/11/22
[#121031] Re: Instiki problems — Ryco@... 2004/11/22

Update:

[#121129] Re: Instiki problems — Ryco@... 2004/11/23

Hi!

[#121126] rails is awesome — Dick Davies <rasputnik@...>

46 messages 2004/11/23
[#121134] Re: rails is awesome — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/11/23

> Couldn't help sending a big 'thank you' to DHH for Rails.

[#121194] Re: rails is awesome — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2004/11/23

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:11:24 +0900, David Heinemeier Hansson

[#121196] Re: rails is awesome — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/11/23

> I haven't seen this myself, but from something said by others, it

[#121217] Re: rails is awesome — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2004/11/24

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:01:17 +0900, David Heinemeier Hansson

[#121243] Re: rails is awesome — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2004/11/24

> Essentially, David, this is a *problem* with ActiveRecord.

[#121247] Re: rails is awesome — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/11/24

On Wednesday, November 24, 2004, 9:23:09 PM, David wrote:

[#121260] Re: rails is awesome — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2004/11/24

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:48:18 +0900, Gavin Sinclair

[#121267] Other ORMs [was: rails is awesome] — Francis Hwang <sera@...> 2004/11/24

[#121271] Re: Other ORMs [was: rails is awesome] — George Moschovitis <gm@...> 2004/11/24

> do, maybe it's worth considering that ActiveRecord is not not the only

[#121274] Re: Other ORMs [was: rails is awesome] — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2004/11/24

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:58:09 +0900, George Moschovitis <gm@navel.gr> wrote:

[#121275] Re: Other ORMs [was: rails is awesome] — Francis Hwang <sera@...> 2004/11/24

Austin, what DB are you using anyway? Dunno if I caught that in this

[#121173] Most popular wiki in Ruby seeks kind maintainer — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

Okay, okay, okay. Instiki does need a new maintainer. At least a

12 messages 2004/11/23
[#121195] Re: Most popular wiki in Ruby seeks kind maintainer — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2004/11/23

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:35:21 +0900, David Heinemeier Hansson

[#121210] Marshal vs. YAML vs. something else (Re: Most popular wiki in Ruby seeks kind maintainer) — Francis Hwang <sera@...> 2004/11/24

More generally, let me ask: What formats are people using to persist

[#121205] How to avoid inheriting Object? — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

How do I create a class that does not inherit from Object?

17 messages 2004/11/24
[#121218] Re: How to avoid inheriting Object? — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2004/11/24

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:29:09 +0900, itsme213 <itsme213@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#121227] editors/IDEs — Jamie Orchard-Hays <jamie@...>

I'm curious what people are favoring for editors and IDEs for Ruby.

21 messages 2004/11/24

[#121318] Ruby/DL tutorial — bjsp123@... (Benjamin Peterson)

Hi,

15 messages 2004/11/24

[#121381] Re: Ruby GUIs and installation effort — "bin liu" <ruby@3cn.com.cn>

I think one GUI system dos not depends others except ruby will bee more flexible.

19 messages 2004/11/25

[#121455] Using unit-tests as examples for a documentation — benny <listen@...>

dear list,

13 messages 2004/11/25

[#121468] oneclick installer, freeride — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...>

anybody NOT developing the oneclick installer or freeride can skip

12 messages 2004/11/25

[#121506] Multiplexer - linear non-blocking I/O — Mikael Brockman <mikael@...>

Blocking I/O is really easy to use. But when you use it to write

32 messages 2004/11/26

[#121517] Banned Words (#9) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

29 messages 2004/11/26

[#121611] initialize always — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

It is rather a common occurrence that I find myself creating a mixin module

16 messages 2004/11/27

[#121647] One-Click Installer 1.8.2-14 RC10 — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...>

This release is mainly in upgrade the included FreeRIDE

13 messages 2004/11/28

[#121730] Seeking advice on some method names — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

Hi all,

28 messages 2004/11/29

[#121847] to_s, inspect, etc. — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

Where would I find a nice summary of to_s, inspect, p, etc. and the core

16 messages 2004/11/29

[#121903] PHP vs. Ruby vs. Python (vs. Rails) — "Abraham Vionas" <abe_ml@...>

As I was falling asleep last night I was wondering about the differences in

15 messages 2004/11/30

[#121916] Python 2.4 released — Zach Dennis <zdennis@...>

A coworker of mine came and hollarred at me because on /. it mentioned

21 messages 2004/11/30

[#121936] Optional static typing (or, What can Ruby 2.0 borrow from Boo?) — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)

Hi all,

23 messages 2004/11/30

[#121943] profile — "Joe Van Dyk" <joe.vandyk@...>

Hi,

24 messages 2004/11/30

[#121949] singleton methods : when are they not permitted? — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

irb(main):025:0> x = :any

20 messages 2004/11/30
[#121956] Re: singleton methods : when are they not permitted? — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/11/30

itsme213 wrote:

[#121970] Re: singleton methods : when are they not permitted? — Francis Hwang <sera@...> 2004/12/01

[#121975] Re: singleton methods : when are they not permitted? — Christoph <chr_mail@...> 2004/12/01

Francis Hwang schrieb:

A Wiki/Spam Report

From: "Jim Weirich" <jim@...>
Date: 2004-11-10 22:40:44 UTC
List: ruby-talk #119796
Hello all.

I've been helping the RubyGarden folks deal with some of the wiki spam
issues and thought I would provide an update here just so folks are
informed.  I'll try to answer some of the questions that come up and let
you know what we have done.

But first the good news!  A spam attack that targetted nearly 90 separate
pages was thwarted this morning with no need to manually revert any pages
(well, except for one).

Ok, now for a couple of responses ...

From "Charles Comstock" <cc1@cec.wustl.edu>
> But seriously, it would seem the capitalization hack was only semi
> successful.

I believe the capitalization trick weeded out most of the non-hard core
spammers.  The ones that were left were VERY determined to get in.  We
have added additional restrictions beyond the HTTP hack that was triggered
by typical spammer types of posting and you could watch several of the
spammers try different variations on their post until it got past the
filters.  The fellow posting links to pack001.com was particularly
persistent.

> It seems to me that most of the bots seem to put in links
> in just a long series.  Perhaps we could change it so your limited to
> say 5 outbound links per page edit?

Three things ...

(1) I really doubt they are bots for the most part ... at least not the
ones that are left.  I watched one fellow this morning make a post, and
then repost to correct a error in the first attempt.  Also, the timings of
the postings seems very non-machine like.  The repeated attempts
attempting to find a work around the filters also indicates a human behind
the wheel.

That't not to say there are no bots out there, but a significant fraction
are human.  My theory is that the all the recent "no-call" lists put a lot
of phone sales people out of work and the only job they could find where
they could be equally as annoying is working as wiki spammers. :)

(2) Not all spam is long chains of links.  The first (and only successful)
spam posting this morning was changing an existing link from
www.lughead.org to www.sister8.com on the MooreheadGroup page.

(3) Detecting the addition of links is difficult because the change is
submitted to the wiki as a whole page, with nothing to distinguish the new
material from the old.  To determine that we would have to run a diff
algorithm between the old and new content.  Although doable, I'm looking
for easy to implement features right now because I'm dealing with perl
code in UseMod (shudder!). (And yes, we are agressively pursuing switching
to a Ruby based wiki engine ... I can't take too much more Perl!).

> Or we could just scan for invisible
> spans which seem to be a favorite of the bots at the moment?

Now that is a good idea.  I only became aware of that technique this
morning, but its on my list of things to try.

Asfand Yar Qazi asks:
> Why isn't the Wiki password-protected so that only authorised users can
> edit it?

Part of the magic of the "wiki way" is gathering the input from legitimate
users.  Therefore we want to make the barrier of entry very very low,
otherwise people just won't bother to post.  It is entirely possible that
we may be forced to go to a user registration process, but I hope that's a
last resort and not the first response.

Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov writes:
> how about generating a jpg of a password and requiring the editor
> to enter it. this would block the bots i think.

This is known as a Captcha test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha). As
mentioned earlier, I think most of the simple minded bots have been
eliminated, and the remaining spammers are either human or bots closely
monitored by humans.  I suspect that captcha will have less of an effect
than we would hope.  Of course I could be wrong and may setup a test of
this.  Also, as someone else noted, captcha systems suffer from some
concern  over accessibility issues.

"Belorion" <belorion@gmail.com> suggests:
> I've seen a couple of wiki's that have Honeypots embedded in them.
> Basically, when you click on the honeypot link you are taken to a page
> which says basically "do not click *this* link, it will disable your
> access to this wiki for X time".  So, when a bot crawls the whole
> page, it will also crawls the honeypot, and the IP gets logged and
> banned from the site.

I first heard of something like this suggested by Patrick May (NARF
developer) at this years RubyConf.  Patrick called it a tarpit. 
Essentially, spammers are routed to a shadow wiki that looks just like the
real one.  Any changes they make to the pages only exist on the shadow
wiki and are not reflected on the real thing.

The beauty of this approach is that the spammers have no idea that they
have been redirected to a fake sight.  The problem with the current
banning system is that spammers know immediately that they have failed, so
they begin to investigate work arounds (e.g. switching IP addresses,
modifying the post content).  If they think their spam is successful, then
they have no motivation to try harder.

Another feature of tarpits is the deliberate slowing of responses.  If the
spammer has to wait forever for a page to update, it encourages them to
look elsewhere.  I find a certain amount of self-righteous glee in the
thought of annoying spammers.

The downside to tarpits is two-fold.  First, we still have the problem of
identifying spammers.  A banlist (realtime or manual) is one possibility. 
Another is by self-identifying behavior.  E.g. the invisible link trick is
a strong indication you are a spammer.

The other downside is the possibility that legitimate users getting caught
in the tarpit.  Since the tarpit /looks/ legitimate, I can easily imagine
legitemate users caught there without them ever realizaing it.  If you
find that the wiki suddenly starts loosing day-old posts of yours, drop
the wikimaster a note and ask if you have been tarpitted.  I'm planning on
some tarpit management software where we can review the tarpitted users
and fix any accidents.   All in good time.

I have actually implemented a prototype tarpit on the current wiki and am
monitoring it to see how effective it is.  We actually caught one spammer
this morning immediately after his first post, so his remaining 90 odd
changes went directly into the tarpit.

A *very* satisfying morning! :-)

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