From: "Kujawa, Greg" Date: 2004-11-05T04:28:57+09:00 Subject: Re: [OT] US Presidential Election This is bitter take. As an American I don't wish for an ineffective 4 years where over half of the Presidential and Congressional leadership implodes on itself. That doesn't matter which party would be in control either. I am not a Bush fanatic by any means but here are the two things that make me cringe when I hear all of the Bush bashing: 1) It's all about the oil. - If you add up the cost of the Iraqi War it would've been far cheaper to just pay more for any possible OPEC price gouging that might have taken place in the future. It's not like we're getting oil for free after defeating Saddam are we? And the price of crude oil on the American market has other factors involved that are often overlooked. 2) Bush lied about things to lead America to war. - He didn't gather the intelligence himself. The intelligence was a result of a combination of CIA, British, and UN data gathering. What was presented to him was the same information that was presented to Congress. The majority of Congress was in favor of what action was initiated based on the intelligence that was presented. Looking back at it the intelligence wasn't 100% correct. Or even 50% correct for God's sake. But it's not like Bush knew there were no WMD's, just went off the handle, and then tried to cover up all of the things that wound up being true. Like I said, I am no huge Bush fan but at least I can try to be objective about things. -----Original Message----- From: Mills Thomas (app1tam) [mailto:app1tam@ups.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:54 PM To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org Subject: Re: [OT] US Presidential Election Sorry, but I have no respect for the man. The office, yes. The man, no. And I refuse to support him and his policy of sending his own countrymen (and countrywomen) to their deaths. And then there are the thousands of injured who will carry it for the rest of their lives. And let's not forget the thousands upon thousands of Iraqis who inconveniently are in the way of our President's might and fury. For what? To ensure the flow of oil for his cronies. What a SSOS. I have a son who will turn 18 during the administration of this sorry-excuse-for-a-human-being. And it scares me. I thought we started this country to get away from empire building. And yet, here we have own little King George (remember the one we tried to get away from?) My only hope at this point is that the entire Republican government screws up so badly that it implodes on itself. Or at least I can wait (and maybe the world can wait) for his four years to be over. And pray that he can't use those four years very effectively. Drew -----Original Message----- From: David Morton [mailto:mortonda@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 6:01 PM To: ruby-talk ML Subject: Re: [OT] US Presidential Election Hopefully, no matter which side of the vote you are on, we (americans) will all support the winner (looks like it's Bush) with proper respect. It can't be an easy job. -- David Morton mortonda@gmail.com - bulk address mortonda@dgrmm.net - direct to my server