[#5218] Ruby Book Eng tl, ch1 question — Jon Babcock <jon@...>
From: Jon Babcock <jon@kanji.com>
Thanks.
From: Jon Babcock <jon@kanji.com>
Ah, thanks, I think I get it, a slightly different nuance then.
From: Jon Babcock <jon@kanji.com>
'Because all of Ruby has been...' -> 'Because Ruby has been...'?
[#5221] better way to say 'recursive join' — Yasushi Shoji <yashi@...>
in [ruby-dev:6289], Shugo Maeda suggested better name for recursive
[#5240] Ruby for Win32/DOS — Dennis Newbold <dennisn@...>
Not all of us are blessed with the opportunity to be able to develop on
[#5254] problem: undefined method `size' for File — "葡ic Santonacci" <Eric.Santonacci@...>
Hi all,
HI,
[#5264] Re: problem: undefined method `size' for Fil e — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
matz critizes good solution argumenting with features lacking from some
[#5268] Proper ConditionVariable usage? — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
Abstract
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:05:22 +0900, Aleksi Niemelwrote:
In message <20001004110040.A26666@xs4all.nl>
Hi,
[#5276] Re: Ruby Book Eng tl, ch1 question — schneik@...
[#5310] Errata for Ruby Book? — Jon Babcock <jon@...>
[#5318] Redefining super method as singleton? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#5329] Ruby vs PHP ? — "Valerio Bamberga" <bamberga@...>
Hi!
[#5331] Unit testing network code? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
Can someone give me pointers on how to Unit Test code that is run on
> I think maybe one would test each end on its own first, faking the
[#5335] string streams in Ruby? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
Is there any way, without going through "modifying the internals",
[#5346] Is Ruby "enough better"? — Gabriel Lima <Gabriel.Lima@...>
Hi.
[#5364] Allowing *ary's in the middle of a camma separated list — "Akinori MUSHA" <knu@...>
Hi,
Hi,
At Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:17:24 +0900,
[#5404] Object.foo, setters and so on — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
OK, here is what I think I know.
At Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:37:25 +0900,
Hi,
Hi,
Hi,
Hi,
[#5425] Ruby Book Eng. tl, 9.8.11 -- seishitsu ? — Jon Babcock <jon@...>
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:49:46 +0900,
Thanks for the input.
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:53:41 +0900,
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:25:03 +0900,
oops, I didn't read this one before I went out for food..
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:59:19 +0900,
[#5437] Editor recommandations? — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>
Any recommendations on editors for Ruby script on Windows?
[#5471] 2 ideas from Haskell — Mark Slagell <ms@...>
Do either of these interest anyone:
[#5479] Some newbye question — Davide Marchignoli <marchign@...>
I am reading the documentation I found about ruby but several points
[#5480] InstallShield version for Ruby soon... — andy@... (Andrew Hunt)
Okay folks,
[#5489] Regexp#matches — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
Would someone object aliasing matches for match in Regexp?
[#5505] Sorry, What is Ruby Book — Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir <chioque@...>
Sorry if this information is somewhere obvious. I just stumbled upon
[#5516] Re: Some newbye question — ts <decoux@...>
>>>>> "D" == Davide Marchignoli <marchign@di.unipi.it> writes:
Hi,
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
matz@zetabits.com (Yukihiro Matsumoto) writes:
Dave Thomas <Dave@thomases.com> wrote:
Hi,
> Proposal a and b have incompatibility. I'm not sure it's worth it.
>>>>> "Y" == Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@zetabits.com> writes:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, ts wrote:
>>>>> "Y" == Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@zetabits.com> writes:
[#5558] GC: malloc_memories — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>
Hi,
> |precipitate a new GC cycle if lots of resizing is done. My biggest
[#5570] Notes about GC — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>
[#5600] passing single or multiple strings. — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
With multple assignments I can get nested arrays "shelled" (like peas)
In message "[ruby-talk:5600] passing single or multiple strings."
[#5603] debug command list in English — "Morris, Chris" <ChrisM@...>
I found this page which lists the interactive debugger commands ... anyone
[#5619] lint? — "Swit" <swit@...>
Is there something like lint for Ruby? I'd like to find NameErrors before
[#5705] Dynamic languages, SWOT ? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
There has been discussion on this list/group from time to time about
Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Charles Hixson wrote:
[#5715] Help: sockets broken — jason petrone <jp@...>
I just compiled ruby 1.6.1 on an openbsd 2.6 machine(x86).
[#5716] Re: Array#insert — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
> From: jweirich@one.net [mailto:jweirich@one.net]
[#5727] String#slice surprise — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...>
Hi,
Dave Thomas wrote:
[#5787] Shells and Ruby — "Dat Nguyen" <thucdat@...>
Hello all,
[#5850] Re: Array#insert rehashed — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
Dave asks for:
[#5862] succ but no pred? (& the MURKY award) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
First of all, a serious question:
[#5873] Integer(String) weirdness for a ruby newbie — Stoned Elipot <Stoned.Elipot@...>
Hi,
[#5881] Q:what about "Programming Ruby"? — Gabriel Lima <Gabriel.Lima@...>
Hi to you all.
[#5882] [RFC] Towards a new synchronisation primitive — hipster <hipster@...4all.nl>
Hello fellow rubyists,
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, hipster wrote:
[#5947] Hash.new {block} / Hash#default_proc{,_set} — "Brian F. Feldman" <green@...>
I've done very little testing, but I think I've successfully implemented the
[ruby-talk:5767] Re: Array#insert
Aleksi Niemelwrote: > > ... > While it might not be obvious, as you say, there's one catch here. Assume > Array#insert would have been named Array#insert!: > > class Array > def insert > dup.insert! > end > end > > But if you have only non-state-modifying version, plain Array#insert, > there's no way one can go to other direction. Yes, but I guess I don't think it has much to do with the method name issue. (Unless, again, you hear me saying something that I don't mean to be saying.) It does suggest an implementation guideline. > def update(anArray) > @theArray.insert(@index, anArray) > end > > For me it's obvious (or I should put, I expect) insert in above code does > change @theArray. Context makes it clear, yes? But that's the readability of existing, working code. If, without the benefit of an example like the above in front of me, I write bar = foo.insert(idx, obj) ... I've unwittingly created context that will frustrate me later. (Okay, maybe you'd never write that line of code, but bear with me.) The method name is recognized, the arguments are acceptable, the interpreter doesn't complain, and, well, it seems like good code to me. Context doesn't help a bit; if anything, staring at it just reinforces the original mistake in my mind. I have to eventually trace my program's misbehavior to a line of code that passed those routine intuitive tests. At the risk of belaboring the point -- hmm, maybe I'm about ready to abandon this one too -- a convention saying that methods ending in '_' are non-state-modifying means I'm likely to first try bar = foo.insert_(idx, obj) and if there is an undefined method error, I can either go straight to the documentation to see what's what, or just try it again without the '_'; but in the latter case my suspicions for this line of code are already raised, and if I'm wrong, the error will be much more quickly diagnosed as a result. Don't we all do essentially the same thing with the '!' now and then? (or, again, is this just me?) > Anyway, this discussion has enlargened my view for Ruby name issues. > Previously I considered naming having to be conformant to OO-centered world. > That world suggests state-modifying plain names when obvious. > > > So, instead I suggest standardizing a way to name a > > 2. ends in '_': receiver's state guaranteed not to change. > > I think the idea is quite good as it isn't pervasive. Anyway the difference > between > > myInteresting.object.code.dup.partly_destroy.to_s and > myInteresting.object.code.partly_destroy_.to_s > > isn't many chars and the psychological distance with in the end of the line > gets smaller and smaller, so the coder has to be very careful. > > - Aleksi Sigh. I hadn't thought of how an underscore blends in with the surroundings. It certainly doesn't grab the eye the way ! and ? do. So the dup'ed version, as you've written it, is easier to read. -- Mark