[#5218] Ruby Book Eng tl, ch1 question — Jon Babcock <jon@...>
From: Jon Babcock <jon@kanji.com>
Thanks.
From: Jon Babcock <jon@kanji.com>
Ah, thanks, I think I get it, a slightly different nuance then.
From: Jon Babcock <jon@kanji.com>
'Because all of Ruby has been...' -> 'Because Ruby has been...'?
[#5221] better way to say 'recursive join' — Yasushi Shoji <yashi@...>
in [ruby-dev:6289], Shugo Maeda suggested better name for recursive
[#5240] Ruby for Win32/DOS — Dennis Newbold <dennisn@...>
Not all of us are blessed with the opportunity to be able to develop on
[#5254] problem: undefined method `size' for File — "葡ic Santonacci" <Eric.Santonacci@...>
Hi all,
HI,
[#5264] Re: problem: undefined method `size' for Fil e — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
matz critizes good solution argumenting with features lacking from some
[#5268] Proper ConditionVariable usage? — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
Abstract
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:05:22 +0900, Aleksi Niemelwrote:
In message <20001004110040.A26666@xs4all.nl>
Hi,
[#5276] Re: Ruby Book Eng tl, ch1 question — schneik@...
[#5310] Errata for Ruby Book? — Jon Babcock <jon@...>
[#5318] Redefining super method as singleton? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#5329] Ruby vs PHP ? — "Valerio Bamberga" <bamberga@...>
Hi!
[#5331] Unit testing network code? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
Can someone give me pointers on how to Unit Test code that is run on
> I think maybe one would test each end on its own first, faking the
[#5335] string streams in Ruby? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
Is there any way, without going through "modifying the internals",
[#5346] Is Ruby "enough better"? — Gabriel Lima <Gabriel.Lima@...>
Hi.
[#5364] Allowing *ary's in the middle of a camma separated list — "Akinori MUSHA" <knu@...>
Hi,
Hi,
At Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:17:24 +0900,
[#5404] Object.foo, setters and so on — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
OK, here is what I think I know.
At Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:37:25 +0900,
Hi,
Hi,
Hi,
Hi,
[#5425] Ruby Book Eng. tl, 9.8.11 -- seishitsu ? — Jon Babcock <jon@...>
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:49:46 +0900,
Thanks for the input.
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:53:41 +0900,
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:25:03 +0900,
oops, I didn't read this one before I went out for food..
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:59:19 +0900,
[#5437] Editor recommandations? — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>
Any recommendations on editors for Ruby script on Windows?
[#5471] 2 ideas from Haskell — Mark Slagell <ms@...>
Do either of these interest anyone:
[#5479] Some newbye question — Davide Marchignoli <marchign@...>
I am reading the documentation I found about ruby but several points
[#5480] InstallShield version for Ruby soon... — andy@... (Andrew Hunt)
Okay folks,
[#5489] Regexp#matches — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
Would someone object aliasing matches for match in Regexp?
[#5505] Sorry, What is Ruby Book — Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir <chioque@...>
Sorry if this information is somewhere obvious. I just stumbled upon
[#5516] Re: Some newbye question — ts <decoux@...>
>>>>> "D" == Davide Marchignoli <marchign@di.unipi.it> writes:
Hi,
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
matz@zetabits.com (Yukihiro Matsumoto) writes:
Dave Thomas <Dave@thomases.com> wrote:
Hi,
> Proposal a and b have incompatibility. I'm not sure it's worth it.
>>>>> "Y" == Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@zetabits.com> writes:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, ts wrote:
>>>>> "Y" == Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@zetabits.com> writes:
[#5558] GC: malloc_memories — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>
Hi,
> |precipitate a new GC cycle if lots of resizing is done. My biggest
[#5570] Notes about GC — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>
[#5600] passing single or multiple strings. — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
With multple assignments I can get nested arrays "shelled" (like peas)
In message "[ruby-talk:5600] passing single or multiple strings."
[#5603] debug command list in English — "Morris, Chris" <ChrisM@...>
I found this page which lists the interactive debugger commands ... anyone
[#5619] lint? — "Swit" <swit@...>
Is there something like lint for Ruby? I'd like to find NameErrors before
[#5705] Dynamic languages, SWOT ? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
There has been discussion on this list/group from time to time about
Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Charles Hixson wrote:
[#5715] Help: sockets broken — jason petrone <jp@...>
I just compiled ruby 1.6.1 on an openbsd 2.6 machine(x86).
[#5716] Re: Array#insert — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
> From: jweirich@one.net [mailto:jweirich@one.net]
[#5727] String#slice surprise — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...>
Hi,
Dave Thomas wrote:
[#5787] Shells and Ruby — "Dat Nguyen" <thucdat@...>
Hello all,
[#5850] Re: Array#insert rehashed — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
Dave asks for:
[#5862] succ but no pred? (& the MURKY award) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
First of all, a serious question:
[#5873] Integer(String) weirdness for a ruby newbie — Stoned Elipot <Stoned.Elipot@...>
Hi,
[#5881] Q:what about "Programming Ruby"? — Gabriel Lima <Gabriel.Lima@...>
Hi to you all.
[#5882] [RFC] Towards a new synchronisation primitive — hipster <hipster@...4all.nl>
Hello fellow rubyists,
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, hipster wrote:
[#5947] Hash.new {block} / Hash#default_proc{,_set} — "Brian F. Feldman" <green@...>
I've done very little testing, but I think I've successfully implemented the
[ruby-talk:5764] Re: Array#insert
> > By the way did you notice how natural the previous
> > aString.+("") looked.
> > Would you like to say aString.+!("")?
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here. All I was trying to say is that
> everybody recognizes the naturalness, and usefulness, of string
> concatenation that doesn't modify the receiver, as in the "+"
> operator, which returns a different string.
Nope, it was me who misunderstood. Yup, what you say makes much sense.
> It isn't so obvious to everyone that it might be nice to have an
> array insert method that returns a shallow
> copy of the array reflecting the results of the specified
> insertion.
While it might not be obvious, as you say, there's one catch here. Assume
Array#insert would have been named Array#insert!:
class Array
def insert
dup.insert!
end
end
But if you have only non-state-modifying version, plain Array#insert,
there's no way one can go to other direction.
Now, if we're not going to implement two methods, it's clear we should have
state-modifying version, as we always can create non-state-modifying
version. The next thing is naming. As we are not going to implement two
methods, current Ruby naming framework suggests plain insert.
Then after all the discussion so far, it all comes to whether
state-modifying insert is badly named when there's no sign about it's
nature.
def update(anArray)
@theArray.insert(@index, anArray)
end
For me it's obvious (or I should put, I expect) insert in above code does
change @theArray. A side effect which would create a new array, change it
and finally return would be dangerous.
If that side effect is needed the code @theArray.dup.insert(@index, anArray)
communicates programmers intention explicitly.
Anyway, this discussion has enlargened my view for Ruby name issues.
Previously I considered naming having to be conformant to OO-centered world.
That world suggests state-modifying plain names when obvious.
> So, instead I suggest standardizing a way to name a
> 2. ends in '_': receiver's state guaranteed not to change.
I think the idea is quite good as it isn't pervasive. Anyway the difference
between
myInteresting.object.code.dup.partly_destroy.to_s and
myInteresting.object.code.partly_destroy_.to_s
isn't many chars and the psychological distance with in the end of the line
gets smaller and smaller, so the coder has to be very careful.
- Aleksi