[#5218] Ruby Book Eng tl, ch1 question — Jon Babcock <jon@...>
From: Jon Babcock <jon@kanji.com>
Thanks.
From: Jon Babcock <jon@kanji.com>
Ah, thanks, I think I get it, a slightly different nuance then.
From: Jon Babcock <jon@kanji.com>
'Because all of Ruby has been...' -> 'Because Ruby has been...'?
[#5221] better way to say 'recursive join' — Yasushi Shoji <yashi@...>
in [ruby-dev:6289], Shugo Maeda suggested better name for recursive
[#5240] Ruby for Win32/DOS — Dennis Newbold <dennisn@...>
Not all of us are blessed with the opportunity to be able to develop on
[#5254] problem: undefined method `size' for File — "葡ic Santonacci" <Eric.Santonacci@...>
Hi all,
HI,
[#5264] Re: problem: undefined method `size' for Fil e — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
matz critizes good solution argumenting with features lacking from some
[#5268] Proper ConditionVariable usage? — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
Abstract
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:05:22 +0900, Aleksi Niemelwrote:
In message <20001004110040.A26666@xs4all.nl>
Hi,
[#5276] Re: Ruby Book Eng tl, ch1 question — schneik@...
[#5310] Errata for Ruby Book? — Jon Babcock <jon@...>
[#5318] Redefining super method as singleton? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
[#5329] Ruby vs PHP ? — "Valerio Bamberga" <bamberga@...>
Hi!
[#5331] Unit testing network code? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
Can someone give me pointers on how to Unit Test code that is run on
> I think maybe one would test each end on its own first, faking the
[#5335] string streams in Ruby? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
Is there any way, without going through "modifying the internals",
[#5346] Is Ruby "enough better"? — Gabriel Lima <Gabriel.Lima@...>
Hi.
[#5364] Allowing *ary's in the middle of a camma separated list — "Akinori MUSHA" <knu@...>
Hi,
Hi,
At Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:17:24 +0900,
[#5404] Object.foo, setters and so on — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
OK, here is what I think I know.
At Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:37:25 +0900,
Hi,
Hi,
Hi,
Hi,
[#5425] Ruby Book Eng. tl, 9.8.11 -- seishitsu ? — Jon Babcock <jon@...>
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 03:49:46 +0900,
Thanks for the input.
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:53:41 +0900,
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:25:03 +0900,
oops, I didn't read this one before I went out for food..
At Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:59:19 +0900,
[#5437] Editor recommandations? — "Chris Morris" <chrismo@...>
Any recommendations on editors for Ruby script on Windows?
[#5471] 2 ideas from Haskell — Mark Slagell <ms@...>
Do either of these interest anyone:
[#5479] Some newbye question — Davide Marchignoli <marchign@...>
I am reading the documentation I found about ruby but several points
[#5480] InstallShield version for Ruby soon... — andy@... (Andrew Hunt)
Okay folks,
[#5489] Regexp#matches — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
Would someone object aliasing matches for match in Regexp?
[#5505] Sorry, What is Ruby Book — Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir <chioque@...>
Sorry if this information is somewhere obvious. I just stumbled upon
[#5516] Re: Some newbye question — ts <decoux@...>
>>>>> "D" == Davide Marchignoli <marchign@di.unipi.it> writes:
Hi,
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
matz@zetabits.com (Yukihiro Matsumoto) writes:
Dave Thomas <Dave@thomases.com> wrote:
Hi,
> Proposal a and b have incompatibility. I'm not sure it's worth it.
>>>>> "Y" == Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@zetabits.com> writes:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, ts wrote:
>>>>> "Y" == Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@zetabits.com> writes:
[#5558] GC: malloc_memories — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>
Hi,
> |precipitate a new GC cycle if lots of resizing is done. My biggest
[#5570] Notes about GC — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...>
[#5600] passing single or multiple strings. — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
With multple assignments I can get nested arrays "shelled" (like peas)
In message "[ruby-talk:5600] passing single or multiple strings."
[#5603] debug command list in English — "Morris, Chris" <ChrisM@...>
I found this page which lists the interactive debugger commands ... anyone
[#5619] lint? — "Swit" <swit@...>
Is there something like lint for Ruby? I'd like to find NameErrors before
[#5705] Dynamic languages, SWOT ? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>
There has been discussion on this list/group from time to time about
Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Charles Hixson wrote:
[#5715] Help: sockets broken — jason petrone <jp@...>
I just compiled ruby 1.6.1 on an openbsd 2.6 machine(x86).
[#5716] Re: Array#insert — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
> From: jweirich@one.net [mailto:jweirich@one.net]
[#5727] String#slice surprise — "Guy N. Hurst" <gnhurst@...>
Hi,
Dave Thomas wrote:
[#5787] Shells and Ruby — "Dat Nguyen" <thucdat@...>
Hello all,
[#5850] Re: Array#insert rehashed — Aleksi Niemel<aleksi.niemela@...>
Dave asks for:
[#5862] succ but no pred? (& the MURKY award) — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>
First of all, a serious question:
[#5873] Integer(String) weirdness for a ruby newbie — Stoned Elipot <Stoned.Elipot@...>
Hi,
[#5881] Q:what about "Programming Ruby"? — Gabriel Lima <Gabriel.Lima@...>
Hi to you all.
[#5882] [RFC] Towards a new synchronisation primitive — hipster <hipster@...4all.nl>
Hello fellow rubyists,
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, hipster wrote:
[#5947] Hash.new {block} / Hash#default_proc{,_set} — "Brian F. Feldman" <green@...>
I've done very little testing, but I think I've successfully implemented the
[ruby-talk:5705] Dynamic languages, SWOT ?
There has been discussion on this list/group from time to time about
Ruby being a dynamic language, rather than one with strong typing.
This is said to give greater flexibility. I'd like to understand this
idea better, and maybe then I can make better use of it.
One of the many examples given by Object Oriented practitioners, at
least some years back, was that OO would make programming safer, because
in the example of an aircraft control system, conventioaally one might
have written:
seatbelt_light = 1; /* turn on seatbelt light */
and
deploy_undercarriage = 0; /* retract undercarriage */
but one could assign 0 to the wrong variable, raising the undercarriage
when one wanted to turn off the seatbelt light, which after landing
would be expensive. With objects
seatbelt_light.retract()
could be easily detected by the compiler as being meaningless, so
the mistake (a bizarre one, but this was only an example) would be
detected really early.
That is fine. However, with dynamic languages one cannot say what
methods an object has at compile time, because we can extend objects
at run time. This makes our code more flexible, because if objects
don't do what we want we add or override methods. But it also means
that we cannot have things like design by contract, because a method
cannot say much about what it will get as parameters.
Looking at Martin Fowler's book on refactoring, I see that one thing that
OO programmers are encouraged to avoid is case statements based on the
type or other property of another object. It is recommended that
polymorphism be used, because the different types can be made subclasses
of another type, and each object in that hierarchy can respond to certain
methods in its own appropriate way. This is clearly more OO in approach.
It also assists in avoiding duplication of code, and makes things
extensible as more "subtypes" may be created. But the case statement has
an "else" (or "default") clause, so unknown types can be picked up. If
one has thrown out the case statement, presumably one has to add some kind
of assertion to check the incoming type, but that would break the dynamic
nature of the software. Or would it?
So is this situation just "one of those trade-offs one has to accept",
and it can be said that dynamic languages are better at different things
from strongly typed languages, but they are equally valid, just different?
Or is there some huge advantage that I have missed, which would make
the loss of these automatic checks a price worth paying?
As I have said, I'm not pushing for any one side, I'm trying to understand
the issues better.
Thank you,
Hugh
hgs@dmu.ac.uk