[#17198] enhancing Ruby error messages for out of the bound constant Fixnum? — Guillaume Cottenceau <gc@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2001/07/03

[#17206] /* */ comments — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

43 messages 2001/07/04
[#17207] Re: /* */ comments — Stephen White <spwhite@...> 2001/07/04

On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#17251] Re: /* */ comments — Sean Chittenden <sean-ruby-talk@...> 2001/07/04

> Over on http://www.rubygarden.org, dv posted a patch to parse.y that

[#17268] Re: /* */ comments — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/07/05

Hi,

[#17212] Ruby 1.6.4 Win32 .exe installer question — A Bull in the China Shop of Life <feoh@...>

Folks;

11 messages 2001/07/04

[#17225] Re: /* */ comments — Arnaud Meuret <ameuret@...4you.com>

|From: Mark Slagell [mailto:ms@iastate.edu]

17 messages 2001/07/04

[#17240] Ruby Mascot/logo — "Kevin Powick" <kpowick@...>

Hi there.

14 messages 2001/07/04

[#17281] Inheritance — "Aleksei Guzev" <aleksei.guzev@...>

15 messages 2001/07/05
[#17282] Re: Inheritance — ts <decoux@...> 2001/07/05

>>>>> "A" == Aleksei Guzev <aleksei.guzev@bigfoot.com> writes:

[#17348] Adding a method to a class at the top-level — Guillaume Cottenceau <gc@...>

Comrades,

14 messages 2001/07/05

[#17482] Aliases for class methods — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

Say I wanted to write my own version of File#open that adds some

23 messages 2001/07/08

[#17511] Ruby on Slashdot — jweirich@...

Ruby is currently mentioned on Slashdot. I posted some references.

29 messages 2001/07/08
[#17512] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/07/08

Interesting...

[#17518] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/07/09

Hi,

[#17519] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — "James (ruby-talk)" <ruby@...> 2001/07/09

> |I thought about that too; what about Ruby being a standard?

[#17525] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/07/09

Hi,

[#17536] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/07/09

Hello --

[#17572] Re: Constants and Variables — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

> If you want objects that don't change, try Object#freeze,

25 messages 2001/07/10

[#17732] Re: Array#sort! returns nil when array empty — hfulton@...

> Array#sort! returns nil if the array is empty, whereas ri

32 messages 2001/07/12
[#17736] Re: Array#sort! returns nil when array empty — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2001/07/12

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 hfulton@pop-server.austin.rr.com wrote:

[#17739] Re: Array#sort! returns nil when array empty — ts <decoux@...> 2001/07/12

>>>>> "P" == Paul Brannan <pbrannan@atdesk.com> writes:

[#17746] Re: Array#sort! returns nil when array empty — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2001/07/12

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, ts wrote:

[#17747] What is Array#- ? — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/07/12

While following the Array thread, I noticed the minus

[#17752] Re: What is Array#- ? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/07/12

Jim Freeze <jim@freeze.org> writes:

[#17753] Re: What is Array#- ? — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/07/12

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#17833] Extending objects — "Aleksei Guzev" <aleksei.guzev@...>

16 messages 2001/07/14
[#17834] Ruby-newbie seeks help with Rubywin starting IRB — "Euan Mee" <lucid@...> 2001/07/14

Once I fire up Rubywin, and then invoke _R_uby _I_rb from the

[#17839] Re: Ruby-newbie seeks help with Rubywin starting IRB — A Bull in the China Shop of Life <feoh@...> 2001/07/14

At 07:05 PM 7/14/01 +0900, Euan Mee spewed forth:

[#17859] Re: Creating methods on the fly — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

I

18 messages 2001/07/15

[#17925] Movement in scripting language communities to integrate XML-RPC — gsemones@... (Guerry Semones)

Greetings,

20 messages 2001/07/16
[#17934] Re: Movement in scripting language communities to integrate XML-RPC — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/07/16

"out of the box" by including

[#18018] Broadcasting data — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

Does someone have an example of broadcasting data around a network using

12 messages 2001/07/18

[#18023] [ANN] libxslt Rubified! — Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2001/07/18
[#18024] Re: [ANN] libxslt Rubified! — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...> 2001/07/18

Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@compaq.com> wrote:

[#18100] Looking for Ruby programming exercises — Wayne Vucenic <wvucenic@...> 2001/07/19

I've been learning Ruby, mostly with the Pickaxe book, and it's going

[#18188] Newbie. Sinking fast. Please help. — Matt <matt@...>

I bought Programming Ruby a number of months back and finally have an opportunity to try out Ruby. However, I can't get it to build. Actually, that's not quite accurate. It builds fine. It won't pass 'make test'.

12 messages 2001/07/20

[#18193] Re: 99 bottles of beer — "Dat Nguyen" <thucdat@...>

18 messages 2001/07/20
[#18204] Re: 99 bottles of beer — Glen Starchman <glen@...> 2001/07/20

99.downto(0){|x|w=" on the wall";u="#{x!=0?eval(x.to_s):'no more'}

[#18306] Ruby as opposed to Python? — "Mark Nenadov" <mnenadov@...>

Hello. I have toyed with the idea of trying Ruby out for some time now.

118 messages 2001/07/22
[#18759] Re: Ruby as opposed to Python? — Paul Prescod <paulp@...> 2001/07/29

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#18774] Re: Ruby as opposed to Python? — "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@...> 2001/07/30

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 05:58:22AM +0900, Paul Prescod wrote:

[#18393] Trouble Using FXRuby on cygwin/Windows NT — rgilbert1@... (Robbie Gilbert)

Hi,

10 messages 2001/07/23

[#18566] Which database should I use? — Urban Hafner <the-master-of-bass@...>

Hello everybody,

17 messages 2001/07/26
[#18575] Re: Which database should I use? — Urban Hafner <the-master-of-bass@...> 2001/07/26

[#18582] Re: Which database should I use? — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/07/26

Urban Hafner wrote:

[ruby-talk:17797] Re: .Net, JVM and languages.

From: "MikkelFJ" <mikkelj-anti-spam@...1.dknet.dk>
Date: 2001-07-13 14:17:01 UTC
List: ruby-talk #17797
"Mathieu Bouchard" <matju@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:6no37.7071$u76.149932@e420r-atl3.usenetserver.com...


> I think Ruby for JVM is much more important, because the list of
> JVM-enabled languages is about 10 times longer than the list of
> DotNet-enabled languages; and the JVM certainly hundreds of times more in
> use _now_ than DotNet (i prefer not trying to extrapolate).

I think it is important for Ruby to be running on .Net and JVM.
Ruby would have a bright future if it would support these.
These virtual machines are rapidly becoming the new operating systems. That
is - nobody really cares what is below as long as it works. JVM fails by not
supporting GUI sufficiently well, but succeeds on embedded and server side
applications. .Net seems to be addressing all these issues, although as
mentioned, only the future will tell where it succeeds.

Unfortunately, Ruby will most likely have to accept certain limitations in
order to run efficiently on these VM's - this is also what other languages
have been enduring. A direct port could make Ruby much slower than it needs
to be.

So either certain features are removed, or a compiler would recognize these,
issue a optional warning, and generate could in a less efficient way. It is
expensive to maintain two code generators.

Whatever the case, I believe we should be starting investigating what can
and what can't be efficiently implemented on these VM's.

There are issues with mutating classes and code execution before class
definition is complete (not necessarily a problem). There are differences in
the exception handling, in garbagecollection/finalize semantics. And of
course the thread issue.

Additional issues are compatibility with both the large base of Ruby source,
and with the extension libararies. It certainly is possible in both Java and
..Net, but how to do it, and what limitations there are, should be
investigated.

> Most likely (and as I said previously) it'll start off as an interpreter
> written in Java and/or C#.

Probably, but we really need a compiler. Making a bad Ruby compiler would
still benefit from optimizers applied to the bytecodestream.

> I maintain the following opinion: writing a good Ruby interpreter inside
> Ruby first, and Ruby in Java second, would be easier than just Ruby in
> Java; *and* results would be more incremental; *and* useful byproducts
> would come out of it.

What good would a Ruby in Ruby be? For understanding and clarification yes.
Perhaps also the compiler frontend, but the codegenerator needs access to
JVM/.Net API's for generating code. In Ruby we would have to port these
API's.

Wrt. compiler frontend: The compiler should plug well with development
environemnts, which is also not ideal in Ruby - unless it can be
bootstrapped to run on its own compilation running in the native enviroment.
A compiler should also be fast - Ruby is fast because it is interpreted, a
slow Ruby compiler would kill much joy. But again - bootstrapping Ruby could
make the result fast.

Mikkel



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