[#17198] enhancing Ruby error messages for out of the bound constant Fixnum? — Guillaume Cottenceau <gc@...>

Hi,

11 messages 2001/07/03

[#17206] /* */ comments — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

43 messages 2001/07/04
[#17207] Re: /* */ comments — Stephen White <spwhite@...> 2001/07/04

On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#17251] Re: /* */ comments — Sean Chittenden <sean-ruby-talk@...> 2001/07/04

> Over on http://www.rubygarden.org, dv posted a patch to parse.y that

[#17268] Re: /* */ comments — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/07/05

Hi,

[#17212] Ruby 1.6.4 Win32 .exe installer question — A Bull in the China Shop of Life <feoh@...>

Folks;

11 messages 2001/07/04

[#17225] Re: /* */ comments — Arnaud Meuret <ameuret@...4you.com>

|From: Mark Slagell [mailto:ms@iastate.edu]

17 messages 2001/07/04

[#17240] Ruby Mascot/logo — "Kevin Powick" <kpowick@...>

Hi there.

14 messages 2001/07/04

[#17281] Inheritance — "Aleksei Guzev" <aleksei.guzev@...>

15 messages 2001/07/05
[#17282] Re: Inheritance — ts <decoux@...> 2001/07/05

>>>>> "A" == Aleksei Guzev <aleksei.guzev@bigfoot.com> writes:

[#17348] Adding a method to a class at the top-level — Guillaume Cottenceau <gc@...>

Comrades,

14 messages 2001/07/05

[#17482] Aliases for class methods — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

Say I wanted to write my own version of File#open that adds some

23 messages 2001/07/08

[#17511] Ruby on Slashdot — jweirich@...

Ruby is currently mentioned on Slashdot. I posted some references.

29 messages 2001/07/08
[#17512] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/07/08

Interesting...

[#17518] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/07/09

Hi,

[#17519] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — "James (ruby-talk)" <ruby@...> 2001/07/09

> |I thought about that too; what about Ruby being a standard?

[#17525] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/07/09

Hi,

[#17536] Re: Ruby on Slashdot — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/07/09

Hello --

[#17572] Re: Constants and Variables — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

> If you want objects that don't change, try Object#freeze,

25 messages 2001/07/10

[#17732] Re: Array#sort! returns nil when array empty — hfulton@...

> Array#sort! returns nil if the array is empty, whereas ri

32 messages 2001/07/12
[#17736] Re: Array#sort! returns nil when array empty — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2001/07/12

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 hfulton@pop-server.austin.rr.com wrote:

[#17739] Re: Array#sort! returns nil when array empty — ts <decoux@...> 2001/07/12

>>>>> "P" == Paul Brannan <pbrannan@atdesk.com> writes:

[#17746] Re: Array#sort! returns nil when array empty — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2001/07/12

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, ts wrote:

[#17747] What is Array#- ? — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/07/12

While following the Array thread, I noticed the minus

[#17752] Re: What is Array#- ? — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/07/12

Jim Freeze <jim@freeze.org> writes:

[#17753] Re: What is Array#- ? — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/07/12

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#17833] Extending objects — "Aleksei Guzev" <aleksei.guzev@...>

16 messages 2001/07/14
[#17834] Ruby-newbie seeks help with Rubywin starting IRB — "Euan Mee" <lucid@...> 2001/07/14

Once I fire up Rubywin, and then invoke _R_uby _I_rb from the

[#17839] Re: Ruby-newbie seeks help with Rubywin starting IRB — A Bull in the China Shop of Life <feoh@...> 2001/07/14

At 07:05 PM 7/14/01 +0900, Euan Mee spewed forth:

[#17859] Re: Creating methods on the fly — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

I

18 messages 2001/07/15

[#17925] Movement in scripting language communities to integrate XML-RPC — gsemones@... (Guerry Semones)

Greetings,

20 messages 2001/07/16
[#17934] Re: Movement in scripting language communities to integrate XML-RPC — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/07/16

"out of the box" by including

[#18018] Broadcasting data — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

Does someone have an example of broadcasting data around a network using

12 messages 2001/07/18

[#18023] [ANN] libxslt Rubified! — Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2001/07/18
[#18024] Re: [ANN] libxslt Rubified! — TAKAHASHI Masayoshi <maki@...> 2001/07/18

Wai-Sun Chia <waisun.chia@compaq.com> wrote:

[#18100] Looking for Ruby programming exercises — Wayne Vucenic <wvucenic@...> 2001/07/19

I've been learning Ruby, mostly with the Pickaxe book, and it's going

[#18188] Newbie. Sinking fast. Please help. — Matt <matt@...>

I bought Programming Ruby a number of months back and finally have an opportunity to try out Ruby. However, I can't get it to build. Actually, that's not quite accurate. It builds fine. It won't pass 'make test'.

12 messages 2001/07/20

[#18193] Re: 99 bottles of beer — "Dat Nguyen" <thucdat@...>

18 messages 2001/07/20
[#18204] Re: 99 bottles of beer — Glen Starchman <glen@...> 2001/07/20

99.downto(0){|x|w=" on the wall";u="#{x!=0?eval(x.to_s):'no more'}

[#18306] Ruby as opposed to Python? — "Mark Nenadov" <mnenadov@...>

Hello. I have toyed with the idea of trying Ruby out for some time now.

118 messages 2001/07/22
[#18759] Re: Ruby as opposed to Python? — Paul Prescod <paulp@...> 2001/07/29

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#18774] Re: Ruby as opposed to Python? — "Florian G. Pflug" <fgp@...> 2001/07/30

On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 05:58:22AM +0900, Paul Prescod wrote:

[#18393] Trouble Using FXRuby on cygwin/Windows NT — rgilbert1@... (Robbie Gilbert)

Hi,

10 messages 2001/07/23

[#18566] Which database should I use? — Urban Hafner <the-master-of-bass@...>

Hello everybody,

17 messages 2001/07/26
[#18575] Re: Which database should I use? — Urban Hafner <the-master-of-bass@...> 2001/07/26

[#18582] Re: Which database should I use? — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/07/26

Urban Hafner wrote:

[ruby-talk:17794] Re: What is Array#- ?

From: Dave Thomas <Dave@...>
Date: 2001-07-13 13:57:39 UTC
List: ruby-talk #17794
matz@ruby-lang.org (Yukihiro Matsumoto) writes:

> There's no reason to make "-" to remove duplication (other than
> performance), so that if someone persuade me, it might be change in
> the future.  In that case, it would be useful to define new
> operation for set subtraction, maybe.

Matz:

Wouldn't it be clearer to define a new Set type, rather than new
operations?

My thinking is this: Arrays are ordered collections of things. There's
no contract about uniqueness: you simply put an object into an array
at a certain position and it sits there. There is nothing inherently
Set-like about an array.

However, sometimes it's convenient to have Sets, collections where
there's only ever one of each element. These have different semantics
to arrays: they are not necessarily ordered, attempting to add an
element doesn't necessarily increase the size, and so on.

Right now, we have a couple of set-like operations in the Array
methods. But these don't make Arrays into Sets, as the set-like
behavior is only temporary: the object is normalized into a set as a
result of the operation, but at the next insert it can turn back into
a bag. Adding more set-like operations won't really help: if people
want this kind of behavior they can have it already just by tacking
'uniq' on to whatever operations they're using.

So my vote would be to create a new Set class (possibly delegating to
Hash, but that's an implementation detail), and to add the new set
methods to it. I'd then vote to remove the magical properties from
Array#-, and I'd suggest changing Array#| to operate more like 'or':
elements in common between the operands aren't duplicated:

    [ 1, 1, 2, 4, 4, 4 ] | [ 1, 2, 2, 3 ] => [ 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 4 ]

If we did this, it might be an idea to start a DataStructures or
Collections extension where all there various Sets, Bags, BW Trees and
so on might live.

Regards


Dave

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