[#77662] A bundle of newbie queries — Gawnsoft <xlucid@...>

I've finally overcome my newbie embarrassment enough to post about

14 messages 2003/08/01

[#77707] Re: is rubyforge down ? — "Tom Copeland" <tom@...>

> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:53:05 +0200, Simon Strandgaard wrote:

16 messages 2003/08/01

[#77794] 1.8.0-previewX rb_sys_fail() on socket instead of an Exception. — Kero van Gelder <kero@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2003/08/02

[#77806] Indentation Style — Nikolai Weibull <lone-star@...>

I've been meaning to ask this for quite some time. Why is and

28 messages 2003/08/02
[#77817] Re: Indentation Style — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...> 2003/08/02

* Nikolai Weibull (lone-star@home.se) wrote:

[#77838] Re: Indentation Style — Seth Kurtzberg <seth@...> 2003/08/02

On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:02:08 +0900

[#77840] Re: Indentation Style — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/02

On Sat August 2 2003 1:01 pm, Seth Kurtzberg wrote:

[#77888] Lafcadio: An object-relational mapping layer for Ruby — sera@... (Francis Hwang)

Hi everybody,

13 messages 2003/08/03

[#77896] Too bad I've found about Ruby — "wit" <wit7777bezspamu@...>

Hi.

21 messages 2003/08/03

[#77928] Take a Fantasy Cruise with Me! — "Katrina" <katrina@...>

Hi again,

14 messages 2003/08/04

[#77946] ruby 1.8.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

32 messages 2003/08/04

[#77992] clearing a parameter in Ruby? — Roy Patrick Tan <rtan@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2003/08/04

[#78023] Parrot SMOP benchmark — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I was just reading Dan Sugalski's slides from RubyConf 2002 and noticed the benchmarks relating to something called "SMOP" at the end of the article.

12 messages 2003/08/04

[#78032] What's New and Shiny in Ruby 1.8.0? — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Since there were a number of requests around for a more detailed

29 messages 2003/08/05
[#78122] Re: What's New and Shiny in Ruby 1.8.0? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2003/08/06

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#78054] Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

Somethings rotten...

21 messages 2003/08/05
[#78055] Re: Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — ts <decoux@...> 2003/08/05

>>>>> "D" == David Heinemeier Hansson <david@loudthinking.com> writes:

[#78057] Re: Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2003/08/05

> D> irb(main):001:0> require 'Singleton'

[#78058] Re: Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — ts <decoux@...> 2003/08/05

>>>>> "D" == David Heinemeier Hansson <david@loudthinking.com> writes:

[#78080] Re: Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2003/08/05

ts wrote:

[#78089] format number with comma separators? — Chris Morris <chrismo@...>

I'm brain dead and just trying to get formatted numbers in a task that's

13 messages 2003/08/05

[#78151] Why does Ruby have callcc? — Jim Bob <invalid@...>

I understand, in a woozy sort of way, what callcc does. What I

46 messages 2003/08/06
[#78158] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2003/08/06

Jim Bob wrote:

[#78247] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/06

I have been interested in these continuation-thingys for a while now, so now

[#78165] newbie question from a smalltalker — "Adriano Volpones" <adriano.volpones@...>

Dear all,

38 messages 2003/08/06
[#78166] Re: newbie question from a smalltalker — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2003/08/06

Adriano Volpones wrote:

[#78173] Re: newbie question from a smalltalker — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/08/06

On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 11:22:21 PM, Lyle wrote:

[#78251] More on DRB & OpenSSL — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>

OK, I've tracked down my problem with DRb and OpenSSL a bit more; perhaps

26 messages 2003/08/06
[#78253] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — Michael Garriss <mgarriss@...> 2003/08/06

Nathaniel Talbott wrote:

[#78256] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — Aredridel <aredridel@...> 2003/08/06

> I've noticed that there is always a strange silence on DRb questions. I=20

[#78265] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...> 2003/08/06

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Aredridel wrote:

[#78270] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/08/06

Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng [mailto:hgs@dmu.ac.uk] wrote:

[#78309] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...> 2003/08/07

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:

[#78274] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Dan Doel <djd15@...>

As for why callcc takes a block (I didn't see this in any of the replies

19 messages 2003/08/07
[#78291] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/07

On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 08:32 PM, Dan Doel wrote:

[#78299] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Jim Weirich <jweirich@...> 2003/08/07

On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 00:42, Ben Giddings wrote:

[#78427] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/08

On Thu August 7 2003 3:03 am, Jim Weirich wrote:

[#78282] Re: [Devculture] ruby question - try Python also (fwd) — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

hmmm, this doesn't mesh terribly well with my experience. Anyone else car

13 messages 2003/08/07

[#78328] Elegant solution for a loop-break problem — KONTRA Gergely <kgergely@...>

Hi!

27 messages 2003/08/07

[#78419] Distributing Ruby applications — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hello Rubyists,

19 messages 2003/08/08

[#78487] Re: Ducktype, right? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

> -----Original Message-----

20 messages 2003/08/08
[#78502] Re: Ducktype, right? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2003/08/08

Mills Thomas (app1tam) wrote:

[#78505] Re: Ducktype, right? — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/08

On Fri August 8 2003 1:25 pm, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#78511] Re: Ducktype, right? — Chris Morris <chrismo@...> 2003/08/08

Ben Giddings wrote:

[#78569] Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — Meino Christian Cramer <mccramer@...>

Hi !

48 messages 2003/08/09
[#78620] Re: Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/08/10

Kent Dahl <kentda+news@stud.ntnu.no> wrote:

[#78622] Re: Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2003/08/10

[#78629] Re: Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — dblack@... 2003/08/10

Hi --

[#78634] Re: Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2003/08/10

dblack@superlink.net wrote:

[#78664] rbbr-0.3.1 — Masao Mutoh <mutoh@...>

Hi,

38 messages 2003/08/11
[#78670] Re: [ANN] rbbr-0.3.1 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/08/11

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:10:41PM +0900, Masao Mutoh wrote:

[#78672] Re: [ANN] rbbr-0.3.1 — Masao Mutoh <mutoh@...> 2003/08/11

Hi,

[#78674] Re: [ANN] rbbr-0.3.1 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/08/11

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:50:56PM +0900, Masao Mutoh wrote:

[#78682] How to build a distributable Solaris binary for Ruby 1.8? — google-venkatp@... (Venkat)

Hello all:

12 messages 2003/08/11

[#78736] Ruby vs Python? — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2003/08/11

[#78755] NaN and Inifinity — Scott Thompson <easco@...>

If I do something like

22 messages 2003/08/12

[#78810] UTF-8 question — Nikolai Weibull <lone-star@...>

I've finally switched to UTF-8. It's awesome. Now, if I can only find

24 messages 2003/08/12
[#78823] Re: UTF-8 question — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/08/12

Hi,

[#78834] Re: UTF-8 question — Nikolai Weibull <lone-star@...> 2003/08/12

* Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> [Aug, 12 2003 18:10]:

[#78867] Re: UTF-8 question — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/12

Hi,

[#78813] Nested class/module namespace — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>

The new ability to declare a class nested in another module (or class)

36 messages 2003/08/12
[#78831] Re: Nested class/module namespace — Kent Dahl <kentda+news@...> 2003/08/12

Nathaniel Talbott wrote:

[#78862] Re: Nested class/module namespace — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/08/12

Kent Dahl [mailto:kentda+news@stud.ntnu.no] wrote:

[#78843] Re: Nested class/module namespace — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/08/12

Hi,

[#78815] Windows Installer for Ruby 1.8.0 Final — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

Thanks for your patience

21 messages 2003/08/12

[#78836] AW: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added — "Recheis Meinrad" <Meinrad.Recheis@...>

29 messages 2003/08/12
[#78858] Re: AW: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/08/12

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:56:48 +0900, Recheis Meinrad wrote:

[#78980] Re: AW: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2003/08/13

Hello Simon,

[#79002] Refactoring Browsers (was: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added) — Jim Weirich <jweirich@...> 2003/08/13

On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 14:03, Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#79009] Re: Refactoring Browsers (was: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added) — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2003/08/14

A difference between smalltalk and ruby...smalltalk is image based

[#79044] Re: Refactoring Browsers (was: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added) — "Its Me" <itsme213@...> 2003/08/14

[#79046] Re: Refactoring Browsers (was: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added) — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2003/08/14

[#78905] ruby curses documentation ? — MENON Jean-Francois <jean-francois.menon@...>

hello,

12 messages 2003/08/13

[#78961] Java/Ruby communication — Nigel Gilbert <n.gilbert@...>

I am planning to write a Java program and and a Ruby program and have

16 messages 2003/08/13

[#79001] Overloading () — Dan Doel <djd15@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2003/08/13

[#79060] Ruby & Windows-world; IDEs — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi all,

32 messages 2003/08/14

[#79142] list of Ruby capable text editors? — Martin Pirker <crf@...>

Hi...

25 messages 2003/08/15

[#79192] Newbie Q: Data encapsulation with Ruby — Meino Christian Cramer <mccramer@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2003/08/16
[#79195] Re: Newbie Q: Data encapsulation with Ruby — dblack@... 2003/08/16

Hi --

[#79250] Rite/Ruby2.0 & Ruby vs OCaml — <prosys@...>

Hi All,

53 messages 2003/08/17
[#80116] Re: Rite/Ruby2.0 & Ruby vs OCaml — "Jason Watkins" <jason_watkins@...> 2003/08/25

OCaml is a fine language, but it certainly is not as fun as ruby... unless

[#80142] Re: Rite/Ruby2.0 & Ruby vs OCaml — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/08/25

On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 02:23:56PM +0900, Jason Watkins wrote:

[#80148] Re: Rite/Ruby2.0 & Ruby vs OCaml — mark <msparshatt@...> 2003/08/25

On Monday 25 Aug 2003 4:10 pm, Brian Candler wrote:

[#79280] Wish: Python-style indenting — Jon_Aquino@... (Jonathan Aquino)

I wish Ruby had Python's use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I

17 messages 2003/08/17

[#79283] Bug when rerouting String#gsub with a block using $1? — Florian Gross <flgr@...>

Moin!

11 messages 2003/08/17

[#79292] Ruby for 3D graphics? — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com>

Ok, I'm sick to death of C++. I'm moving on to a higher level language of

14 messages 2003/08/18

[#79319] Question: immutable strings as design goal? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

-talkers,

15 messages 2003/08/18

[#79337] Re: Question: immutable strings as design goal? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

33 messages 2003/08/18
[#79362] Re: Question: immutable strings as design goal? — hanzspam@... (Hannu Kankaanp粐) 2003/08/18

Robert Feldt <feldt@ce.chalmers.se> wrote in message news:<oprt3sncb0oglyup@mail1.telia.com>...

[#79397] Re: Question: immutable strings as design goal? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/08/18

On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, 3:21:32 AM, Hannu wrote:

[#79412] Why did you switch from Python to Ruby? — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com>

This question is only meant to apply to people who used to use Python, but

174 messages 2003/08/19
[#79492] Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com> 2003/08/19

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#79504] Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) — Michael Granger <ged@...> 2003/08/20

On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 04:05 PM, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:

[#79517] Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com> 2003/08/20

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#79522] Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) — Mark Wilson <mwilson13@...> 2003/08/20

[#79414] $VERBOSE=true returns warnings from standard library — thomass@... (Thomas)

I normally write my ruby code with $VERBOSE=true. When I do this in

11 messages 2003/08/19

[#79433] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — phlip_cpp@... (Phlip)

> I don't know either. I do know of several posters on the XP

18 messages 2003/08/19
[#79435] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — "Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/08/19

> If you were to instrument my physical responses and typing rate while

[#79461] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — "Dave Benjamin" <dave@3dex.com> 2003/08/19

"Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@yahoo.com> wrote in message

[#79462] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — dblack@... 2003/08/19

Hi --

[#79470] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — dblack@... 2003/08/19

Hi --

[#79533] What attracts me to Ruby — Ged Byrne <gedb01@...>

As a newbie moving over from Python, the recent posts

24 messages 2003/08/20

[#79655] Punctuation as noise — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I've been thinking for a day or so about

21 messages 2003/08/20

[#79673] Trollassassin — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

So, I had this idea, but I couldn't think of anywhere better to post it.

13 messages 2003/08/20

[#79754] Class variables - a surprising result — Jason Williams <jason@...>

class Sup

14 messages 2003/08/21

[#79788] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>

Obviously there's some confusion though Matz.

19 messages 2003/08/21
[#79815] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/08/21

Hi,

[#79822] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> 2003/08/21

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 03:47:33AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#79794] Integrated Webserver? — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>

The HTML form thread made me wonder if we shouldn't have some equivalent

13 messages 2003/08/21

[#79818] Re: How do I handle an HTML form from ruby? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

Having Ruby start a browser with the correct form.html file is easy enough.

20 messages 2003/08/21
[#80198] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@...> 2003/08/26

Thank you Nathaniel.

[#80269] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2003/08/26

il Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:01:51 +0900, David Corbin

[#80369] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2003/08/27

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 04:28:31AM +0900, gabriele renzi wrote:

[#80578] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@...> 2003/08/29

I am not sure what the AIX comment is all about, but

[#80586] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/08/29

--- Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#79819] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>

My point was that many programmar's mistake Ruby's 'class' variables as

26 messages 2003/08/21
[#79887] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/08/22

Hi,

[#79888] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2003/08/22

> Hi,

[#79890] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...> 2003/08/22

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:32:12 +0900

[#79894] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2003/08/22

Ryan Pavlik wrote:

[#79898] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2003/08/22

Patrick Bennett wrote:

[#79901] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2003/08/22

Dan Doel wrote:

[#79833] Wrapping ENV — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I just wrote a little piece of code. Is it useful to anyone but

15 messages 2003/08/21

[#79849] POLS and names of mathematical functions — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...>

Saluton!

17 messages 2003/08/21

[#79981] Aspect oriented Everything? — letterbox1001@... (New_aspect)

Hello,

37 messages 2003/08/22

[#80038] Ruby & Perl — David Corbin <dcorbin@...>

Has anyone considered some way to make Perl modules callable from Ruby?

20 messages 2003/08/23

[#80135] Specification of Ruby regex? — Ronald Pijnacker <rhp@...>

Hi all,

32 messages 2003/08/25
[#80211] Re: Specification of Ruby regex? — "Tim Hunter" <cyclists@...> 2003/08/26

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:15:38 +0900, Ronald Pijnacker wrote:

[#80212] Re: Specification of Ruby regex? — Emmanuel Touzery <emmanuel.touzery@...> 2003/08/26

Hello!

[#80157] Ruby launching system apps? — "Dan" <falseflyboy@...>

I have a UNIX machine and I want a ruby app that can launch UNIX commands

15 messages 2003/08/25

[#80217] Another Ruby-powered site — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...>

http://qurl.net/ -- a couple of hours with Ruby and FastCGI.

21 messages 2003/08/26
[#80276] Re: Another Ruby-powered site — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2003/08/26

il Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:58:21 +0900, Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>

[#80278] Re: Another Ruby-powered site — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/08/26

--- gabriele renzi <surrender_it@rc1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> wrote:

[#80316] errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

I'm trying to compile Ruby under Solaris. I suck at C, so I don't know

24 messages 2003/08/27
[#80320] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/27

Hi,

[#80322] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/27

Hi,

[#80327] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...> 2003/08/27

I am using 3.0.3.

[#80331] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/27

Hi,

[#80345] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...> 2003/08/27

> Instead, send ext/socket/mkmf.log.

[#80663] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/31

Hi,

[#80668] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...> 2003/08/31

> What headers do you need to compile sys/socket.h?

[#80670] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/31

Hi,

[#80672] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...> 2003/08/31

It turns out that the thing I sent before was from a Solaris 9 machine,

[#80354] Mac OS X and ruby-postgres again — Thomas Yager-Madden <tym@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2003/08/27
[#80359] Re: Mac OS X and ruby-postgres again — Brian McCallister <mccallister@...> 2003/08/27

How did you install postgresql? I had to specify the location of the

[#80399] os x / mysql : install 1.8 : ruby = nil — paul@... (paul vudmaska)

I'm trying to install ruby/eruby and mysql to learn ruby for web stuff

10 messages 2003/08/27

[#80457] #collect with block modifying receiver — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all...

13 messages 2003/08/28

[#80497] Python vs. Ruby — Fred <fred@...>

Can anyone give me a good reason why I would want to use Ruby over Python?

53 messages 2003/08/28
[#80507] Re: Python vs. Ruby — dagbrown@... (Dave Brown) 2003/08/28

In article <cxu3b.289101$uu5.63844@sccrnsc04>,

[#80519] Re: Python vs. Ruby — Scott Thompson <easco@...> 2003/08/29

> : Can anyone give me a good reason why I would want to use Ruby over

[#80573] Re: Python vs. Ruby — "W. Kent Starr" <wyzzrd@...> 2003/08/29

Careful, boys,

[#80751] Re: Python vs. Ruby — hanzspam@... (Hannu Kankaanp粐) 2003/09/01

"jbritt@ruby-doc.org" <jbritt@ruby-doc.org> wrote in message news:<3F519252.3090408@ruby-doc.org>...

[#80774] Re: Python vs. Ruby — mark <msparshatt@...> 2003/09/01

On Monday 01 Sep 2003 9:47 am, Hannu Kankaanp粐 wrote:

[#80788] Re: Python vs. Ruby 2003/09/01

mark wrote:

[#80884] Re: Python vs. Ruby — james_b <james_b@...> 2003/09/02

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#80896] Re: Python vs. Ruby 2003/09/02

james_b wrote:

[#80542] multiply all array with array — ibotty <me@...>

before i spent to many words describing something so simple:

16 messages 2003/08/29

[#80715] `echo %!(*` — Tom Felker <tcfelker@...>

Hello all,

15 messages 2003/08/31

Re: Email and smtp.sendmail security vulnerabilities?

From:
Date: 2003-08-26 22:29:08 UTC
List: ruby-talk #80305
John Long wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
>>>While I realize that anyone with enough know how could send 
>>
>>mail from the
>>
>>But it isn't much know how: it is only constructing a URL.  Then the
>>"spam" comes via your domain, and you get blacklisted.
> 
> 
>>Spammers don't seem to care much how their message is delivered.
>>This statement is anecdotal, of course. Add a tablespoon or 4 of
>>salt, to taste.
> 
> 
> How would you suggest we implement this feature on our web site?
> 
> Technically someone could send a link from the iblp web site to a million
> people and get us black listed, but the chances of this happening are
> relatively slim. Talking with our IT department head here he said that the
> way most blacklists work is by checking to see if you are running open
> relay. If you are then they blacklist you. We wouldn't be running open relay
> so that wouldn't be a problem. Also if that occured the hits to that page
> would suddenly sky rocket.
> 
> 
>>>The main thing I want to know is if someone could enter a 
>>
>>message that would
>>
>>>add headers to the email or cause the footer not to be 
>>
>>displayed, or exploit
>>
>>>some other security vulnerability. Right now I'm preventing 
>>
>>the email fields
>>
>>I've not looked in that much depth.  I think this is a serious
>>enough flaw to make that much less significant.
> 
> 
> Again the main field I am concerned about is the message field.

The only way for a someone to do something evil with your body message 
is if they wrote a single line with nothing but a period.  This signals 
the SMTP server that the body of the message is done, and the server 
will then wait for more commands.  If after that, there are more lines 
in the message body, they would be sent to the server and those could 
contain SMTP commands that initiate more mailings or what-not.

However, most SMTP library writers know the specification and 
deliberately prepend any lines beginning with a period with a second 
period, which results in an "escape" sequence that the server recognizes 
as "periods are coming, but they're just body text."

You should have nothing to worry about, unless the library author didn't 
take that precaution.

One way to test that is to send yourself an email through the library 
containing lines that you will easily recognize, and make one of the 
lines just a period by itself, and nothing else.  Then add some more 
lines you will recognize after that line.  If you get the email with the 
period showing, the library is safe.  If the period and the rest of the 
message body is missing, the library is not safe.


>>Another quick look throws up:  You have not trapped ';' although you
>>don't pass this directly to a shell, so you should be OK.
>>When you expand the string with #{} they can find out things like
>>$RUBY_PLATFORM and such, which may reveal more about your system
>>than you wish to reveal.
> 
> I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Can you give an example of someone
> getting the Ruby Platform that way?

You don't need to trap anything but the period.

> irb(main):001:0> a = "RUBY_PLATFORM"
> => "RUBY_PLATFORM"
> irb(main):002:0> j = "#{a}"
> => "RUBY_PLATFORM"
> irb(main):003:0>
> 
> When I use this class on my page I actually do some checking to insure that
> only one email address is entered and a few other things.

This is a good idea.  Also, stripping off anything from a 
newline-onwards will prevent people from adding their own headers, such 
as CC and BCC (blind CC).

>>The Body cannot become part of the headers, even with vertical tabs,
>>I think.
> 
> 
> This would be my guess too. But I would like to know for sure.

Like I mention above, the body can actually cause you problems, although 
the SMTP library author should be checking for any lines beginning with 
a period.  Can't hurt to look at the code and see for yourself though.

>>The Message id may not be unique, since you only use time.current.
>>You may need $$ and possibly Thread.current as well to guarantee 2
>>concurrent submissions having unique ids.
> 
> Interesting point. What does $$ stand for?

Probably the process and thread IDs, respectively.  The thread ID should 
also be a process ID, and that should be good enough, but in case you're 
using some unusual threading library, you might want to combine the 
process and thread IDs to create a truly unique ID (append it to a time 
value).

> How does what we are doing differ from what major news sites are doing (eg.
> msnbc.com, cnn.com)? What would prevent me from using their sites to send
> spam?

Major sites might be taking more sophisticated steps to address specific 
problems they encounter, but the only two real vulnerabilities I would 
worry about are: newlines in the "to" address and periods at the 
beginning of lines in the body.  If you check for those two things 
before sending to an SMTP server, you should be free of problems.

	Sean O'Dell


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