From: Dave Thomas Date: 2003-08-07T00:55:09+09:00 Subject: Re: newbie question from a smalltalker Adriano Volpones wrote: >Dave Thomas wrote: > > >>I agree that IDEs are a great environment for some folks. But just for >>balance I'd point out that it's possible to write decent sized >>applications without a class browser and refactoring tools. My biggest >>Ruby app so far has 460 classes, and when I need to refactor a method >>name I find "grep-find" very usable. >> >> > >You are right! You can always emulate every tool and bell and whistle with >lots of grep+find+cut+paste+... is only a matter of time. > >What I can say is that (for me) the real fun in programming comes from >designing and not from typing, where the last is a mere obstacle to obtain >the first. > > Design? Where's the productivity is design? You're only working when you're typing, so the more you do, the harder you're working.