[#77662] A bundle of newbie queries — Gawnsoft <xlucid@...>

I've finally overcome my newbie embarrassment enough to post about

14 messages 2003/08/01

[#77707] Re: is rubyforge down ? — "Tom Copeland" <tom@...>

> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:53:05 +0200, Simon Strandgaard wrote:

16 messages 2003/08/01

[#77794] 1.8.0-previewX rb_sys_fail() on socket instead of an Exception. — Kero van Gelder <kero@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2003/08/02

[#77806] Indentation Style — Nikolai Weibull <lone-star@...>

I've been meaning to ask this for quite some time. Why is and

28 messages 2003/08/02
[#77817] Re: Indentation Style — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...> 2003/08/02

* Nikolai Weibull (lone-star@home.se) wrote:

[#77838] Re: Indentation Style — Seth Kurtzberg <seth@...> 2003/08/02

On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:02:08 +0900

[#77840] Re: Indentation Style — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/02

On Sat August 2 2003 1:01 pm, Seth Kurtzberg wrote:

[#77888] Lafcadio: An object-relational mapping layer for Ruby — sera@... (Francis Hwang)

Hi everybody,

13 messages 2003/08/03

[#77896] Too bad I've found about Ruby — "wit" <wit7777bezspamu@...>

Hi.

21 messages 2003/08/03

[#77928] Take a Fantasy Cruise with Me! — "Katrina" <katrina@...>

Hi again,

14 messages 2003/08/04

[#77946] ruby 1.8.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

Hello,

32 messages 2003/08/04

[#77992] clearing a parameter in Ruby? — Roy Patrick Tan <rtan@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2003/08/04

[#78023] Parrot SMOP benchmark — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...>

I was just reading Dan Sugalski's slides from RubyConf 2002 and noticed the benchmarks relating to something called "SMOP" at the end of the article.

12 messages 2003/08/04

[#78032] What's New and Shiny in Ruby 1.8.0? — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

Since there were a number of requests around for a more detailed

29 messages 2003/08/05
[#78122] Re: What's New and Shiny in Ruby 1.8.0? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2003/08/06

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#78054] Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

Somethings rotten...

21 messages 2003/08/05
[#78055] Re: Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — ts <decoux@...> 2003/08/05

>>>>> "D" == David Heinemeier Hansson <david@loudthinking.com> writes:

[#78057] Re: Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...> 2003/08/05

> D> irb(main):001:0> require 'Singleton'

[#78058] Re: Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — ts <decoux@...> 2003/08/05

>>>>> "D" == David Heinemeier Hansson <david@loudthinking.com> writes:

[#78080] Re: Log4r and Ruby 1.8.0 in Singleton problems — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2003/08/05

ts wrote:

[#78089] format number with comma separators? — Chris Morris <chrismo@...>

I'm brain dead and just trying to get formatted numbers in a task that's

13 messages 2003/08/05

[#78151] Why does Ruby have callcc? — Jim Bob <invalid@...>

I understand, in a woozy sort of way, what callcc does. What I

46 messages 2003/08/06
[#78158] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Harry Ohlsen <harryo@...> 2003/08/06

Jim Bob wrote:

[#78247] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/06

I have been interested in these continuation-thingys for a while now, so now

[#78165] newbie question from a smalltalker — "Adriano Volpones" <adriano.volpones@...>

Dear all,

38 messages 2003/08/06
[#78166] Re: newbie question from a smalltalker — Lyle Johnson <lyle@...> 2003/08/06

Adriano Volpones wrote:

[#78173] Re: newbie question from a smalltalker — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/08/06

On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 11:22:21 PM, Lyle wrote:

[#78251] More on DRB & OpenSSL — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>

OK, I've tracked down my problem with DRb and OpenSSL a bit more; perhaps

26 messages 2003/08/06
[#78253] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — Michael Garriss <mgarriss@...> 2003/08/06

Nathaniel Talbott wrote:

[#78256] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — Aredridel <aredridel@...> 2003/08/06

> I've noticed that there is always a strange silence on DRb questions. I=20

[#78265] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...> 2003/08/06

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Aredridel wrote:

[#78270] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/08/06

Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng [mailto:hgs@dmu.ac.uk] wrote:

[#78309] Re: More on DRB & OpenSSL — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...> 2003/08/07

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Nathaniel Talbott wrote:

[#78274] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Dan Doel <djd15@...>

As for why callcc takes a block (I didn't see this in any of the replies

19 messages 2003/08/07
[#78291] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/07

On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 08:32 PM, Dan Doel wrote:

[#78299] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Jim Weirich <jweirich@...> 2003/08/07

On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 00:42, Ben Giddings wrote:

[#78427] Re: Why does Ruby have callcc? — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/08

On Thu August 7 2003 3:03 am, Jim Weirich wrote:

[#78282] Re: [Devculture] ruby question - try Python also (fwd) — Pat Eyler <pate@...>

hmmm, this doesn't mesh terribly well with my experience. Anyone else car

13 messages 2003/08/07

[#78328] Elegant solution for a loop-break problem — KONTRA Gergely <kgergely@...>

Hi!

27 messages 2003/08/07

[#78419] Distributing Ruby applications — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hello Rubyists,

19 messages 2003/08/08

[#78487] Re: Ducktype, right? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

> -----Original Message-----

20 messages 2003/08/08
[#78502] Re: Ducktype, right? — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2003/08/08

Mills Thomas (app1tam) wrote:

[#78505] Re: Ducktype, right? — Ben Giddings <ben@...> 2003/08/08

On Fri August 8 2003 1:25 pm, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#78511] Re: Ducktype, right? — Chris Morris <chrismo@...> 2003/08/08

Ben Giddings wrote:

[#78569] Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — Meino Christian Cramer <mccramer@...>

Hi !

48 messages 2003/08/09
[#78620] Re: Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2003/08/10

Kent Dahl <kentda+news@stud.ntnu.no> wrote:

[#78622] Re: Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2003/08/10

[#78629] Re: Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — dblack@... 2003/08/10

Hi --

[#78634] Re: Ruby and OOP-design (question of an old "procedural person" ;) — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2003/08/10

dblack@superlink.net wrote:

[#78664] rbbr-0.3.1 — Masao Mutoh <mutoh@...>

Hi,

38 messages 2003/08/11
[#78670] Re: [ANN] rbbr-0.3.1 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/08/11

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:10:41PM +0900, Masao Mutoh wrote:

[#78672] Re: [ANN] rbbr-0.3.1 — Masao Mutoh <mutoh@...> 2003/08/11

Hi,

[#78674] Re: [ANN] rbbr-0.3.1 — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/08/11

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:50:56PM +0900, Masao Mutoh wrote:

[#78682] How to build a distributable Solaris binary for Ruby 1.8? — google-venkatp@... (Venkat)

Hello all:

12 messages 2003/08/11

[#78736] Ruby vs Python? — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2003/08/11

[#78755] NaN and Inifinity — Scott Thompson <easco@...>

If I do something like

22 messages 2003/08/12

[#78810] UTF-8 question — Nikolai Weibull <lone-star@...>

I've finally switched to UTF-8. It's awesome. Now, if I can only find

24 messages 2003/08/12
[#78823] Re: UTF-8 question — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/08/12

Hi,

[#78834] Re: UTF-8 question — Nikolai Weibull <lone-star@...> 2003/08/12

* Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> [Aug, 12 2003 18:10]:

[#78867] Re: UTF-8 question — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/12

Hi,

[#78813] Nested class/module namespace — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>

The new ability to declare a class nested in another module (or class)

36 messages 2003/08/12
[#78831] Re: Nested class/module namespace — Kent Dahl <kentda+news@...> 2003/08/12

Nathaniel Talbott wrote:

[#78862] Re: Nested class/module namespace — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/08/12

Kent Dahl [mailto:kentda+news@stud.ntnu.no] wrote:

[#78843] Re: Nested class/module namespace — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/08/12

Hi,

[#78815] Windows Installer for Ruby 1.8.0 Final — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

Thanks for your patience

21 messages 2003/08/12

[#78836] AW: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added — "Recheis Meinrad" <Meinrad.Recheis@...>

29 messages 2003/08/12
[#78858] Re: AW: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added — "Simon Strandgaard" <0bz63fz3m1qt3001@...> 2003/08/12

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:56:48 +0900, Recheis Meinrad wrote:

[#78980] Re: AW: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2003/08/13

Hello Simon,

[#79002] Refactoring Browsers (was: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added) — Jim Weirich <jweirich@...> 2003/08/13

On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 14:03, Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#79009] Re: Refactoring Browsers (was: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added) — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2003/08/14

A difference between smalltalk and ruby...smalltalk is image based

[#79044] Re: Refactoring Browsers (was: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added) — "Its Me" <itsme213@...> 2003/08/14

[#79046] Re: Refactoring Browsers (was: [ann] AEditor 0.10, folding added) — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2003/08/14

[#78905] ruby curses documentation ? — MENON Jean-Francois <jean-francois.menon@...>

hello,

12 messages 2003/08/13

[#78961] Java/Ruby communication — Nigel Gilbert <n.gilbert@...>

I am planning to write a Java program and and a Ruby program and have

16 messages 2003/08/13

[#79001] Overloading () — Dan Doel <djd15@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2003/08/13

[#79060] Ruby & Windows-world; IDEs — Armin Roehrl <armin@...>

Hi all,

32 messages 2003/08/14

[#79142] list of Ruby capable text editors? — Martin Pirker <crf@...>

Hi...

25 messages 2003/08/15

[#79192] Newbie Q: Data encapsulation with Ruby — Meino Christian Cramer <mccramer@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2003/08/16
[#79195] Re: Newbie Q: Data encapsulation with Ruby — dblack@... 2003/08/16

Hi --

[#79250] Rite/Ruby2.0 & Ruby vs OCaml — <prosys@...>

Hi All,

53 messages 2003/08/17
[#80116] Re: Rite/Ruby2.0 & Ruby vs OCaml — "Jason Watkins" <jason_watkins@...> 2003/08/25

OCaml is a fine language, but it certainly is not as fun as ruby... unless

[#80142] Re: Rite/Ruby2.0 & Ruby vs OCaml — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2003/08/25

On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 02:23:56PM +0900, Jason Watkins wrote:

[#80148] Re: Rite/Ruby2.0 & Ruby vs OCaml — mark <msparshatt@...> 2003/08/25

On Monday 25 Aug 2003 4:10 pm, Brian Candler wrote:

[#79280] Wish: Python-style indenting — Jon_Aquino@... (Jonathan Aquino)

I wish Ruby had Python's use of whitespace to indicate blocks. Then I

17 messages 2003/08/17

[#79283] Bug when rerouting String#gsub with a block using $1? — Florian Gross <flgr@...>

Moin!

11 messages 2003/08/17

[#79292] Ruby for 3D graphics? — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com>

Ok, I'm sick to death of C++. I'm moving on to a higher level language of

14 messages 2003/08/18

[#79319] Question: immutable strings as design goal? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...>

-talkers,

15 messages 2003/08/18

[#79337] Re: Question: immutable strings as design goal? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

33 messages 2003/08/18
[#79362] Re: Question: immutable strings as design goal? — hanzspam@... (Hannu Kankaanp粐) 2003/08/18

Robert Feldt <feldt@ce.chalmers.se> wrote in message news:<oprt3sncb0oglyup@mail1.telia.com>...

[#79397] Re: Question: immutable strings as design goal? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/08/18

On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, 3:21:32 AM, Hannu wrote:

[#79412] Why did you switch from Python to Ruby? — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com>

This question is only meant to apply to people who used to use Python, but

174 messages 2003/08/19
[#79492] Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com> 2003/08/19

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#79504] Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) — Michael Granger <ged@...> 2003/08/20

On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 04:05 PM, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:

[#79517] Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) — "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@3DProgrammer.com> 2003/08/20

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#79522] Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was) — Mark Wilson <mwilson13@...> 2003/08/20

[#79414] $VERBOSE=true returns warnings from standard library — thomass@... (Thomas)

I normally write my ruby code with $VERBOSE=true. When I do this in

11 messages 2003/08/19

[#79433] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — phlip_cpp@... (Phlip)

> I don't know either. I do know of several posters on the XP

18 messages 2003/08/19
[#79435] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — "Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/08/19

> If you were to instrument my physical responses and typing rate while

[#79461] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — "Dave Benjamin" <dave@3dex.com> 2003/08/19

"Michael Campbell" <michael_s_campbell@yahoo.com> wrote in message

[#79462] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — dblack@... 2003/08/19

Hi --

[#79470] Re: What's TOTALLY COMPELLING about Ruby over Python? — dblack@... 2003/08/19

Hi --

[#79533] What attracts me to Ruby — Ged Byrne <gedb01@...>

As a newbie moving over from Python, the recent posts

24 messages 2003/08/20

[#79655] Punctuation as noise — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I've been thinking for a day or so about

21 messages 2003/08/20

[#79673] Trollassassin — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

So, I had this idea, but I couldn't think of anywhere better to post it.

13 messages 2003/08/20

[#79754] Class variables - a surprising result — Jason Williams <jason@...>

class Sup

14 messages 2003/08/21

[#79788] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>

Obviously there's some confusion though Matz.

19 messages 2003/08/21
[#79815] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/08/21

Hi,

[#79822] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> 2003/08/21

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 03:47:33AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#79794] Integrated Webserver? — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>

The HTML form thread made me wonder if we shouldn't have some equivalent

13 messages 2003/08/21

[#79818] Re: How do I handle an HTML form from ruby? — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

Having Ruby start a browser with the correct form.html file is easy enough.

20 messages 2003/08/21
[#80198] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@...> 2003/08/26

Thank you Nathaniel.

[#80269] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2003/08/26

il Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:01:51 +0900, David Corbin

[#80369] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...> 2003/08/27

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 04:28:31AM +0900, gabriele renzi wrote:

[#80578] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@...> 2003/08/29

I am not sure what the AIX comment is all about, but

[#80586] Re: Any sample code where ruby is used in the Eclipse devepment environment? — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/08/29

--- Ludwigi Beethoven <aix_tech@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#79819] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Bennett, Patrick" <Patrick.Bennett@...>

My point was that many programmar's mistake Ruby's 'class' variables as

26 messages 2003/08/21
[#79887] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/08/22

Hi,

[#79888] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2003/08/22

> Hi,

[#79890] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...> 2003/08/22

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:32:12 +0900

[#79894] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2003/08/22

Ryan Pavlik wrote:

[#79898] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — Dan Doel <djd15@...> 2003/08/22

Patrick Bennett wrote:

[#79901] Re: Class variables - a surprising result — Patrick Bennett <patrick.bennett@...> 2003/08/22

Dan Doel wrote:

[#79833] Wrapping ENV — "Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@...>

I just wrote a little piece of code. Is it useful to anyone but

15 messages 2003/08/21

[#79849] POLS and names of mathematical functions — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...>

Saluton!

17 messages 2003/08/21

[#79981] Aspect oriented Everything? — letterbox1001@... (New_aspect)

Hello,

37 messages 2003/08/22

[#80038] Ruby & Perl — David Corbin <dcorbin@...>

Has anyone considered some way to make Perl modules callable from Ruby?

20 messages 2003/08/23

[#80135] Specification of Ruby regex? — Ronald Pijnacker <rhp@...>

Hi all,

32 messages 2003/08/25
[#80211] Re: Specification of Ruby regex? — "Tim Hunter" <cyclists@...> 2003/08/26

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:15:38 +0900, Ronald Pijnacker wrote:

[#80212] Re: Specification of Ruby regex? — Emmanuel Touzery <emmanuel.touzery@...> 2003/08/26

Hello!

[#80157] Ruby launching system apps? — "Dan" <falseflyboy@...>

I have a UNIX machine and I want a ruby app that can launch UNIX commands

15 messages 2003/08/25

[#80217] Another Ruby-powered site — Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@...>

http://qurl.net/ -- a couple of hours with Ruby and FastCGI.

21 messages 2003/08/26
[#80276] Re: Another Ruby-powered site — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> 2003/08/26

il Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:58:21 +0900, Thomas Hurst <tom.hurst@clara.net>

[#80278] Re: Another Ruby-powered site — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...> 2003/08/26

--- gabriele renzi <surrender_it@rc1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com> wrote:

[#80316] errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...>

I'm trying to compile Ruby under Solaris. I suck at C, so I don't know

24 messages 2003/08/27
[#80320] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/27

Hi,

[#80322] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/27

Hi,

[#80327] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...> 2003/08/27

I am using 3.0.3.

[#80331] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/27

Hi,

[#80345] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...> 2003/08/27

> Instead, send ext/socket/mkmf.log.

[#80663] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/31

Hi,

[#80668] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...> 2003/08/31

> What headers do you need to compile sys/socket.h?

[#80670] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — nobu.nokada@... 2003/08/31

Hi,

[#80672] Re: errors compiling Ruby under Solaris — "Kurt M. Dresner" <kdresner@...> 2003/08/31

It turns out that the thing I sent before was from a Solaris 9 machine,

[#80354] Mac OS X and ruby-postgres again — Thomas Yager-Madden <tym@...>

Hello,

14 messages 2003/08/27
[#80359] Re: Mac OS X and ruby-postgres again — Brian McCallister <mccallister@...> 2003/08/27

How did you install postgresql? I had to specify the location of the

[#80399] os x / mysql : install 1.8 : ruby = nil — paul@... (paul vudmaska)

I'm trying to install ruby/eruby and mysql to learn ruby for web stuff

10 messages 2003/08/27

[#80457] #collect with block modifying receiver — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all...

13 messages 2003/08/28

[#80497] Python vs. Ruby — Fred <fred@...>

Can anyone give me a good reason why I would want to use Ruby over Python?

53 messages 2003/08/28
[#80507] Re: Python vs. Ruby — dagbrown@... (Dave Brown) 2003/08/28

In article <cxu3b.289101$uu5.63844@sccrnsc04>,

[#80519] Re: Python vs. Ruby — Scott Thompson <easco@...> 2003/08/29

> : Can anyone give me a good reason why I would want to use Ruby over

[#80573] Re: Python vs. Ruby — "W. Kent Starr" <wyzzrd@...> 2003/08/29

Careful, boys,

[#80751] Re: Python vs. Ruby — hanzspam@... (Hannu Kankaanp粐) 2003/09/01

"jbritt@ruby-doc.org" <jbritt@ruby-doc.org> wrote in message news:<3F519252.3090408@ruby-doc.org>...

[#80774] Re: Python vs. Ruby — mark <msparshatt@...> 2003/09/01

On Monday 01 Sep 2003 9:47 am, Hannu Kankaanp粐 wrote:

[#80788] Re: Python vs. Ruby 2003/09/01

mark wrote:

[#80884] Re: Python vs. Ruby — james_b <james_b@...> 2003/09/02

Sean O'Dell wrote:

[#80896] Re: Python vs. Ruby 2003/09/02

james_b wrote:

[#80542] multiply all array with array — ibotty <me@...>

before i spent to many words describing something so simple:

16 messages 2003/08/29

[#80715] `echo %!(*` — Tom Felker <tcfelker@...>

Hello all,

15 messages 2003/08/31

Re: [Devculture] ruby question - try Python also (fwd)

From: Charles Hixsn <charleshixsn@...>
Date: 2003-08-11 21:39:57 UTC
List: ruby-talk #78717
Rasputin wrote:

>* Pat Eyler <pate@eylerfamily.org> [0811 04:11]:
>  
>
>>hmmm, this doesn't mesh terribly well with my experience.  Anyone else car
>>to take a crack at answering it?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:07:21 -0400
>>From: Anil R. Diwan <adiwan@snet.net>
>>Reply-To: devculture@lists.whirlycott.com...
>>
>>...I have not coded in either Ruby or Python, so all comments are based on
>>reading and learning the language.
>>    
>>
>
>How can you learn ('the language' - he doesn't specify which)a without
>writing some programs in it?...
>  
>
Well, I have "some" familiarity with Ruby and Python.  Don't brush off 
his comments lightly if you want Ruby to be more popular.  The only way 
for Ruby to be more popular is for more people to use it.  Which means 
for more peopel who are currently unfamiliar with it to use it.

Ruby has by far the best syntax of any language that I've encountered, 
and for many purposes it's semantics are as good as any.  And it *MAY* 
have good library support.  But many libraries seem to be either 
abandoned or only documented in Japanese (well, only *adequately* etc.). 

This is, perhaps, quite understandable given the history, but if I 
intend to do something, and I must choose between Ruby and Python, it 
will frequently resolve down to  "Which language can I most easily 
figure out how to do things in", and libraries can here be the 
determining feature.  I far prefer Ruby (I have this strong distaste for 
using white space as a program structure indicator, and I prefer that my 
indentation be done with tabs of width 3 rather than with spaces .  I 
know that using tabs this way doesn't really cause Python problems, but 
many people on the mailing list don't seem to.)  But, e.g., if I want to 
use SDL, I can use apt-get to import all needed libraries for Python, 
but  Ruby... I was still working on getting all the pieces straight 
after four hours.  (I told you I wasn't highly skilled.)  Then turn to 
the documentation.  Pygame doesn't have quite everything documented.  
The english documentation of the RubySDL package nearly left me with the 
C documentation of SDL (which I don't know...I' d prefer to use a higher 
level language and then only optimize the parts that need it).  And Rudl 
doesn't seem any better.  (I think that Rubysdl is the appropriate 
library. )

There are probably better ways to approach this, but I'm new, so I don't 
know them.  And the correct (or at any rate, reasonable) approaches are 
easier to find in Python.

A lot of this is probably because Ruby is more recent, and because the 
primary focus of development is in Japan.  But the result is the same 
whatever the reason.

Another thing is this wonderfully promissing thing called Pyrex.  This 
is a purportedly nearly transparent interface between Python and C.  It 
looks like it makes interfacing so much easier than Swig [or hand 
coding] that no comparison is reasonable.  I haven't yet tried it, so 
this may be overblown, but appearantly you can write a file [or 
routine??] that is a mix of Python and C, with automatic translation 
between the pieces. 

Another thing is distributable executables.  Very important for many 
purposes (though I haven't needed this recently).  Python has a 
(somewhat clunky) way to do this called distutils.  What does Ruby 
have?  (I mean by this that if Ruby has a library that can handle this, 
then I don't know about it...It's not a serious question as I don't have 
any need right now.)  Now it is true that the Python distributable 
executables seem to be exe files, so they may only work on MSWindows, 
but to many people that is the vitally important place to have it work.

Now these are just some lacunae that I have noticed.  But that I have 
noticed these seems to me to imply that there are many other areas that 
would have similar gaps, because I *don't* have a large acquantance with 
Ruby.  Nowhere near what I was hoping to have a year ago.  Because I 
couldn't figure out how to use in in the projects that I was working on 
in the time that was available.  AND NONE OF THESE PROBLEMS IS 
INTRINSIC!  These are all library issues.  (I didn't mention the many 
areas where I didn't have any problem.  That's not the problem.)




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