[#80776] prerelease of Guis-1.3pre1 (a GTK widget server) for Ruby — Basile STARYNKEVITCH <basile@...>

Dear All,

11 messages 2003/09/01

[#80849] Simple question(s) — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>

(I think...)

16 messages 2003/09/02

[#80870] show me the ruby way — nord ehacedod <nordehacedod@...>

This works, but there must be a more natural way to do

18 messages 2003/09/02
[#80916] Re: show me the ruby way — aero6dof@... (Alan Chen) 2003/09/02

ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> wrote in message news:<200309021525.h82FPkM17085@moulon.inra.fr>...

[#80918] Re: show me the ruby way — "Warren Brown" <wkb@...> 2003/09/02

alan,

[#80873] RDoc: how to turn off automatic linking for a word? — leikind@... (Yuri Leikind)

Hello all,

12 messages 2003/09/02
[#80962] Re: RDoc: how to turn off automatic linking for a word? — William Webber <wew@...> 2003/09/03

On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 12:32:23AM +0900, Yuri Leikind wrote:

[#81014] unknown node type 0 — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

15 messages 2003/09/03

[#81028] webrick and ruby — ahoward <ahoward@...>

12 messages 2003/09/03

[#81057] WEBrick and mod_ruby performance — quixoticsycophant@... (Jeff Mitchell)

I've been scoping out ruby for an upcoming server project.

16 messages 2003/09/03

[#81075] Unit Tests and Encapsulation — Scott Thompson <easco@...>

This may be off-topic in a Ruby list, although I have noticed that a

18 messages 2003/09/04

[#81167] Difference between .. and ... in boolean ranges — Oliver Dain <odain2@...>

I'm a bit confused by some Ruby behavior I'm seeing with ranges. As I

12 messages 2003/09/04

[#81234] Correction: "religious" — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

It has come to my attention that the word religious can, indeed, be

12 messages 2003/09/05

[#81239] rcalc 2.0 (Ruby Calculator) — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...>

Saluton!

14 messages 2003/09/05

[#81345] ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...>

MetaTags 1.0

73 messages 2003/09/08
[#81361] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Tobias Peters <tpeters@...> 2003/09/08

Ryan Pavlik wrote:

[#81371] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2003/09/08

On Monday 08 September 2003 06:58 am, Tobias Peters wrote:

[#81384] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2003/09/08

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#81386] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — dblack@... 2003/09/08

Hi --

[#81394] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2003/09/08

On Monday 08 September 2003 12:08 pm, dblack@superlink.net wrote:

[#81396] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/09/08

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#81452] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/09/09

Hi,

[#81454] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2003/09/09

[#81615] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2003/09/10

On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 11:59 PM, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#81374] problem with Module#append_features — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>

Hi all,

24 messages 2003/09/08

[#81503] Memory consumption of Ruby/mod_ruby combo on Apache — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

I'm seeing memory consumption in the area of 30-35mb per Apache process

12 messages 2003/09/09
[#81504] Re: Memory consumption of Ruby/mod_ruby combo on Apache — mgarriss <mgarriss@...> 2003/09/09

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

[#81535] using a filter inside Ruby — Eric Schwartz <emschwar@...>

I've the contents of a raw log file in memory, and a program that will

12 messages 2003/09/09

[#81587] Fwd: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Related to the recent thread about nested structs

16 messages 2003/09/10
[#81590] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/10

Robert Feldt [mailto:feldt@ce.chalmers.se] wrote:

[#81594] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/09/10

Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> skrev den Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:42:24 +0900:

[#81596] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/10

Robert Feldt [mailto:feldt@ce.chalmers.se] wrote:

[#81597] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/09/10

Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> skrev den Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:06:18 +0900:

[#81612] What *are* variables? Which are nil now? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

Reading about reflection, ObjectSpace will give you the objects in

22 messages 2003/09/10
[#81632] Re: What *are* variables? Which are nil now? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/10

> raise "@b1 is nil" if @b1.nil

[#81623] Chasing a garbage collection bug — "Thomas Sondergaard" <thomas@...>

I just discovered that I have a GC related bug, or that is to say it doesn't

17 messages 2003/09/10

[#81755] Passing an Object Class from a method to a caller — "RLMuller" <RLMuller@...>

Hi All,

14 messages 2003/09/11

[#81840] Re: Dir.foreach not with patterns? — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>

I like the Dir[] form (or its "glob" alternative). I used to write

14 messages 2003/09/12
[#82500] Re: Dir.foreach not with patterns? — Jason Creighton <androflux@...> 2003/09/19

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:59:25 +0100

[#81871] Duck Typing — Jim Weirich <jweirich@...>

In the Method Redefinition thread, this explanation of Duck Typing is

38 messages 2003/09/13
[#81884] Re: Duck Typing — dblack@... 2003/09/13

Hi --

[#81929] actual debian ruby packages are unuseable with tk — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>

Dear debian ruby package maintainers,

12 messages 2003/09/13

[#81960] Dot versus double-colon — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

OK, I've been thinking (always dangerous after 11 pm).

18 messages 2003/09/14

[#82012] performance and style advice requested — Alex Martelli <aleaxit@...>

I'm trying to learn some Ruby, so I want to write some Ruby code, starting

53 messages 2003/09/14
[#82028] Re: performance and style advice requested — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...> 2003/09/14

Some style advice:

[#82029] Linguistics 0.02 — Michael Granger <ged@...>

Hi fellow Rubyists,

19 messages 2003/09/14

[#82056] Test::Unit -- multiple errors in test method ??? — Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>

14 messages 2003/09/15

[#82166] scrambler one-liner — Xavier Noria <fxn@...>

I just came across this interesting article at Slashdot that explains that

27 messages 2003/09/16

[#82206] #{} and \" don't like each other — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...>

From the Programming Ruby book:

32 messages 2003/09/16

[#82419] wiki reccomendations — ahoward <ahoward@...>

15 messages 2003/09/18

[#82448] closing stderr — Michael Garriss <mgarriss@...>

I would like to prevent some output that is going to stderr during a

15 messages 2003/09/18

[#82547] fork not available? — walter@...

I am running windows 2000 using the PragProgs install.

14 messages 2003/09/19

[#82561] Trouble with binary files? — <agemoagemo@...>

I'm trying to write a program that will read a binary

24 messages 2003/09/19
[#82562] Re: Trouble with binary files? — Heinz Werntges <werntges@...> 2003/09/19

agemoagemo@yahoo.com wrote:

[#82583] Re: Trouble with binary files? — Tim Hammerquist <tim@...> 2003/09/19

<agemoagemo@yahoo.com> graced us by uttering:

[#82575] Article on oreilly.net on how to build Unix tools with Ruby — Xavier <NOSPAM@...>

Thought you'd like to know about this article

24 messages 2003/09/19
[#82829] Re: Article on oreilly.net on how to build Unix tools with Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2003/09/23

On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 06:00:21AM +0900, Xavier wrote:

[#82589] POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>

Here's an updated version of the Ruby pop3filter that was written. This

32 messages 2003/09/20
[#82592] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/20

I've made more updates. Rather than just putting them here, I've created a

[#82609] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/20

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:14:39 +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#82617] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...> 2003/09/20

[#82618] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/09/20

On Saturday, September 20, 2003, 9:03:18 PM, Shashank wrote:

[#82621] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/20

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:15:40 +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#82623] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Jose Quesada <quesadaj@...> 2003/09/20

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:52:39 +0900, Austin Ziegler <austin@halostatue.ca>

[#82624] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2003/09/20

On Saturday 20 September 2003 18:56, Jose Quesada wrote:

[#82632] Real emails on newsgroup version (was Re: POP3Filter) — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...> 2003/09/20

This whole worm thing brings up a question:

[#82683] Re: Real emails on newsgroup version (was Re: POP3Filter) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2003/09/22

[#82661] Performance: Ruby vs Java — lalit_pant@... (Lalit Pant)

I'm a newcomer to Ruby, and thought I would write a little

18 messages 2003/09/22

[#82715] Ruby package for Linux — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Ok, I know nothing about linux packages.

22 messages 2003/09/22

[#82832] upper to lower first letter of a word — yvon.thoravallist@... (Yvon Thoraval)

Recently, i get a vintage list (more than 500 items) with poor typo, for

30 messages 2003/09/23

[#82884] When threads block — Hans Fugal <fugalh@...>

It's difficult to do any serious multi-threaded network programming when

13 messages 2003/09/24

[#82964] Re: Prove internet package for Microsoft Internet Explorer — "Anthony Neville" <anthony.neville@...>

13 messages 2003/09/25

[#83002] TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>

I'm trying to use TCPSocket.gethostbyname to verify that a given domain

35 messages 2003/09/25
[#83006] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/09/25

> I can browse to either of those hosts, so what's different about them? Any

[#83014] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/26

Peter [mailto:Peter.Vanbroekhoven@cs.kuleuven.ac.be] wrote:

[#83030] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — ts <decoux@...> 2003/09/26

>>>>> "N" == Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> writes:

[#83035] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/26

ts [mailto:decoux@moulon.inra.fr] wrote:

[#83036] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — ts <decoux@...> 2003/09/26

>>>>> "N" == Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> writes:

[#83037] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/26

ts [mailto:decoux@moulon.inra.fr] wrote:

[#83011] Adding, removing and redefining features at runtime — "Thomas Sondergaard" <thomas@...>

I am working on an article on the subject of implementing dynamically typed

23 messages 2003/09/26

[#83105] Fwd: FW: Porting Suggestions: Lucene to Ruby; Perl Text::Balanced — Erik Hatcher <erik@...>

I was alerted about me being mentioned on ruby-talk, as I was not

12 messages 2003/09/27
[#83117] OT: alerts - was Re: Fwd: FW: Porting Suggestions: Lucene to Ruby; Perl Text::Balanced — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/09/27

Erik Hatcher wrote:

[#83140] Thoughts on yield — nolan_d@... (Nolan J. Darilek)

I've begun working on a music-related ruby project, and recently I've

17 messages 2003/09/28

[#83223] Article on ARTIMA — Peter Hickman <peter@...>

There is the start of a series of articles on ARTIMA with Matz.

21 messages 2003/09/29

[#83310] Making == symmetric? — elbows@... (Nathan Weston)

It has always bothered me that == is not symmetric in ruby:

22 messages 2003/09/30

Re: Aspect oriented Everything?

From: Clifford Heath <cjh_nospam@...>
Date: 2003-09-01 03:27:12 UTC
List: ruby-talk #80743
New_aspect wrote:
> What I want to know is,if anybody on a
> commercial scale is using AOSD to develop commercial products?

I have been using aspect oriented design techniques since 1992,
when I invented a name "contextual extension" for a feature that
occurred naturally in a data definition language I had designed
in 1983. Needless to say, the term "aspect oriented" wasn't then
current :-).

I introduced hierarchical aspect-oriented design to ManageSoft last
year, and we are finding my hierarchical approach (which extends and
generalises most of the current AOSD state-of-the-art) helps considerably
in the design and requirements phases - because it gives a better
framework for SOC. So yes, it's fair to say that AO design *is* being
used in a >1MLOC commercial product, which spans C++, Java, C# and Perl
as well as a number of proprietry domain-specific languages (for errors,
tracing, configuration variables, etc).

I should say that our aspect orientation goes far beyond its traditional
application to "infrastructure" aspects like logging etc (though we have
identified and use over 80 different infrastructure aspects). For example,
the ManageSoft product distributes software packages down a distribution
hierarchy. Each distribution server has a basic object type which is
extended with several facets. The Packages facet details which packages
are or should be on each server. The Hierarchy facet details where this
server lives in the hierarchy, and the Configuration facet details the
configuration state of each server. These facets are *independent* of
each other, yet belong to the same object - each reflects where the object
cuts across a particular aspect. It's a kind of polymorphism, so not really
that new.

I think that the use of Aspect Oriented techniques beyond the infrastructure
layers is the main area for adding value. As has been noted, infrastructure
requirements should be built into the basic language, or added through
low-impact libraries - Ruby allows (though by manual construction) the best
of both worlds in this regard.

We are using Ruby for a multiple tier generator based on an XML database
schema language. This generator makes use of Ruby's mixins and the
"extend" method to implement "facet realisation" - dynamic extension
of base classes to allow them to serve in a particular context.
This is primitive aspect oriented programming, and works well.

The generator produces data tiers in C# and C++, web services definitions
and implementations, web-service client proxy stubs that implement location-
and version-transparency, as well as high-quality printed documentation, SQL
DDL and stored procedures, and will be extended to cover test cases, schema
migration and perhaps user interfaces (in C#). Despite our database only
containing 58 tables, the 3KLOC generator reads a 1.2KLOC schema file
and generates over 50KL of high-quality, formatted, readable, commented
code. If I was a contractor it would be a license to print money. Of all
langages I've learnt or created, implementing this generator in Ruby using
aspect-oriented techniques is the only way to have kept it down to its current
3KLOC - and most of that code is templates!

> Is it the fact that AOP is new and, for most, confusing

Maybe. Although it is somewhat difficult to grapple with, the intrinsic
concepts are much simpler than current implementations indicate. AspectJ
had to integrate with Java, so had to multiply the basic concepts, and
had to live within the traditional source-file idiom. AOD tools *must*
support dynamic view synthesis, allowing visualisation of the system in
both composed and partly-composed form. I'm not aware of a tool that
does that. Aspect oriented design requires a visual language for presenting
designs. Some work has been done on adding AOD features to UML, but
basically it's difficult because AOD is used to implement multi-dimensional
designs - which can't easily be flattened to any 2-D language. I think
that the only hope there is for a 1-D (traditional text-based) language
which is supported by powerful graphical tools which allow filtering the
aspects exposed in dynamic views.

A true AOD language (as opposed to a hack preprocessor added to an
existing language) would also support dynamic extension (which I term
facet realisation). We do that in Ruby with mixins and extend(), but
it's a bit too "manual".

> Is an Open Source development ever going to gain the trust of industry?

What on earth has that got to do with AOP?

> What are the main features that may lead to AOSD adoption?

Proper filtering aspect browsers in an IDE for a naturally aspect-oriented
language. None of which currently exist, as far as I'm aware.

 > Is AOP the next step on from OOP?

Perhaps, if the tool support is provided.

 > Is it another chance for some of the lesser
> utilised languages to step up to Java and C++?

No. I don't believe that AOD can be adequately justified when implemented
as an extension to either C++ or Java. AFAIK, there is no viable candidate
for the title of the first viable aspect-oriented language.

I meant to publish a bunch of writings and tools at my nascent domain
www.aspectdesign.org, but my employer is not forthcoming with an IP
disclaimer to publish tools so the domain lies dormant and the tools
unwritten. Sigh. I honestly believe these tools must be open source.
I've previously tried to found a business based on simple, general
powerful software tools and languages, and have become convinced that
commercial survival is only possible with limited-purpose tools.
Proprietry standards for basic technologies are doomed.

Clifford Heath, cjh at spam-me-rotten.managesoft.com - you work it out.


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