[#80776] prerelease of Guis-1.3pre1 (a GTK widget server) for Ruby — Basile STARYNKEVITCH <basile@...>

Dear All,

11 messages 2003/09/01

[#80849] Simple question(s) — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>

(I think...)

16 messages 2003/09/02

[#80870] show me the ruby way — nord ehacedod <nordehacedod@...>

This works, but there must be a more natural way to do

18 messages 2003/09/02
[#80916] Re: show me the ruby way — aero6dof@... (Alan Chen) 2003/09/02

ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> wrote in message news:<200309021525.h82FPkM17085@moulon.inra.fr>...

[#80918] Re: show me the ruby way — "Warren Brown" <wkb@...> 2003/09/02

alan,

[#80873] RDoc: how to turn off automatic linking for a word? — leikind@... (Yuri Leikind)

Hello all,

12 messages 2003/09/02
[#80962] Re: RDoc: how to turn off automatic linking for a word? — William Webber <wew@...> 2003/09/03

On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 12:32:23AM +0900, Yuri Leikind wrote:

[#81014] unknown node type 0 — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

15 messages 2003/09/03

[#81028] webrick and ruby — ahoward <ahoward@...>

12 messages 2003/09/03

[#81057] WEBrick and mod_ruby performance — quixoticsycophant@... (Jeff Mitchell)

I've been scoping out ruby for an upcoming server project.

16 messages 2003/09/03

[#81075] Unit Tests and Encapsulation — Scott Thompson <easco@...>

This may be off-topic in a Ruby list, although I have noticed that a

18 messages 2003/09/04

[#81167] Difference between .. and ... in boolean ranges — Oliver Dain <odain2@...>

I'm a bit confused by some Ruby behavior I'm seeing with ranges. As I

12 messages 2003/09/04

[#81234] Correction: "religious" — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

It has come to my attention that the word religious can, indeed, be

12 messages 2003/09/05

[#81239] rcalc 2.0 (Ruby Calculator) — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...>

Saluton!

14 messages 2003/09/05

[#81345] ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...>

MetaTags 1.0

73 messages 2003/09/08
[#81361] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Tobias Peters <tpeters@...> 2003/09/08

Ryan Pavlik wrote:

[#81371] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2003/09/08

On Monday 08 September 2003 06:58 am, Tobias Peters wrote:

[#81384] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2003/09/08

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#81386] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — dblack@... 2003/09/08

Hi --

[#81394] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2003/09/08

On Monday 08 September 2003 12:08 pm, dblack@superlink.net wrote:

[#81396] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/09/08

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#81452] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/09/09

Hi,

[#81454] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2003/09/09

[#81615] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2003/09/10

On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 11:59 PM, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#81374] problem with Module#append_features — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>

Hi all,

24 messages 2003/09/08

[#81503] Memory consumption of Ruby/mod_ruby combo on Apache — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

I'm seeing memory consumption in the area of 30-35mb per Apache process

12 messages 2003/09/09
[#81504] Re: Memory consumption of Ruby/mod_ruby combo on Apache — mgarriss <mgarriss@...> 2003/09/09

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

[#81535] using a filter inside Ruby — Eric Schwartz <emschwar@...>

I've the contents of a raw log file in memory, and a program that will

12 messages 2003/09/09

[#81587] Fwd: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Related to the recent thread about nested structs

16 messages 2003/09/10
[#81590] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/10

Robert Feldt [mailto:feldt@ce.chalmers.se] wrote:

[#81594] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/09/10

Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> skrev den Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:42:24 +0900:

[#81596] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/10

Robert Feldt [mailto:feldt@ce.chalmers.se] wrote:

[#81597] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/09/10

Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> skrev den Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:06:18 +0900:

[#81612] What *are* variables? Which are nil now? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

Reading about reflection, ObjectSpace will give you the objects in

22 messages 2003/09/10
[#81632] Re: What *are* variables? Which are nil now? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/10

> raise "@b1 is nil" if @b1.nil

[#81623] Chasing a garbage collection bug — "Thomas Sondergaard" <thomas@...>

I just discovered that I have a GC related bug, or that is to say it doesn't

17 messages 2003/09/10

[#81755] Passing an Object Class from a method to a caller — "RLMuller" <RLMuller@...>

Hi All,

14 messages 2003/09/11

[#81840] Re: Dir.foreach not with patterns? — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>

I like the Dir[] form (or its "glob" alternative). I used to write

14 messages 2003/09/12
[#82500] Re: Dir.foreach not with patterns? — Jason Creighton <androflux@...> 2003/09/19

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:59:25 +0100

[#81871] Duck Typing — Jim Weirich <jweirich@...>

In the Method Redefinition thread, this explanation of Duck Typing is

38 messages 2003/09/13
[#81884] Re: Duck Typing — dblack@... 2003/09/13

Hi --

[#81929] actual debian ruby packages are unuseable with tk — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>

Dear debian ruby package maintainers,

12 messages 2003/09/13

[#81960] Dot versus double-colon — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

OK, I've been thinking (always dangerous after 11 pm).

18 messages 2003/09/14

[#82012] performance and style advice requested — Alex Martelli <aleaxit@...>

I'm trying to learn some Ruby, so I want to write some Ruby code, starting

53 messages 2003/09/14
[#82028] Re: performance and style advice requested — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...> 2003/09/14

Some style advice:

[#82029] Linguistics 0.02 — Michael Granger <ged@...>

Hi fellow Rubyists,

19 messages 2003/09/14

[#82056] Test::Unit -- multiple errors in test method ??? — Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>

14 messages 2003/09/15

[#82166] scrambler one-liner — Xavier Noria <fxn@...>

I just came across this interesting article at Slashdot that explains that

27 messages 2003/09/16

[#82206] #{} and \" don't like each other — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...>

From the Programming Ruby book:

32 messages 2003/09/16

[#82419] wiki reccomendations — ahoward <ahoward@...>

15 messages 2003/09/18

[#82448] closing stderr — Michael Garriss <mgarriss@...>

I would like to prevent some output that is going to stderr during a

15 messages 2003/09/18

[#82547] fork not available? — walter@...

I am running windows 2000 using the PragProgs install.

14 messages 2003/09/19

[#82561] Trouble with binary files? — <agemoagemo@...>

I'm trying to write a program that will read a binary

24 messages 2003/09/19
[#82562] Re: Trouble with binary files? — Heinz Werntges <werntges@...> 2003/09/19

agemoagemo@yahoo.com wrote:

[#82583] Re: Trouble with binary files? — Tim Hammerquist <tim@...> 2003/09/19

<agemoagemo@yahoo.com> graced us by uttering:

[#82575] Article on oreilly.net on how to build Unix tools with Ruby — Xavier <NOSPAM@...>

Thought you'd like to know about this article

24 messages 2003/09/19
[#82829] Re: Article on oreilly.net on how to build Unix tools with Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2003/09/23

On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 06:00:21AM +0900, Xavier wrote:

[#82589] POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>

Here's an updated version of the Ruby pop3filter that was written. This

32 messages 2003/09/20
[#82592] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/20

I've made more updates. Rather than just putting them here, I've created a

[#82609] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/20

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:14:39 +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#82617] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...> 2003/09/20

[#82618] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/09/20

On Saturday, September 20, 2003, 9:03:18 PM, Shashank wrote:

[#82621] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/20

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:15:40 +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#82623] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Jose Quesada <quesadaj@...> 2003/09/20

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:52:39 +0900, Austin Ziegler <austin@halostatue.ca>

[#82624] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2003/09/20

On Saturday 20 September 2003 18:56, Jose Quesada wrote:

[#82632] Real emails on newsgroup version (was Re: POP3Filter) — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...> 2003/09/20

This whole worm thing brings up a question:

[#82683] Re: Real emails on newsgroup version (was Re: POP3Filter) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2003/09/22

[#82661] Performance: Ruby vs Java — lalit_pant@... (Lalit Pant)

I'm a newcomer to Ruby, and thought I would write a little

18 messages 2003/09/22

[#82715] Ruby package for Linux — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Ok, I know nothing about linux packages.

22 messages 2003/09/22

[#82832] upper to lower first letter of a word — yvon.thoravallist@... (Yvon Thoraval)

Recently, i get a vintage list (more than 500 items) with poor typo, for

30 messages 2003/09/23

[#82884] When threads block — Hans Fugal <fugalh@...>

It's difficult to do any serious multi-threaded network programming when

13 messages 2003/09/24

[#82964] Re: Prove internet package for Microsoft Internet Explorer — "Anthony Neville" <anthony.neville@...>

13 messages 2003/09/25

[#83002] TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>

I'm trying to use TCPSocket.gethostbyname to verify that a given domain

35 messages 2003/09/25
[#83006] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/09/25

> I can browse to either of those hosts, so what's different about them? Any

[#83014] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/26

Peter [mailto:Peter.Vanbroekhoven@cs.kuleuven.ac.be] wrote:

[#83030] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — ts <decoux@...> 2003/09/26

>>>>> "N" == Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> writes:

[#83035] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/26

ts [mailto:decoux@moulon.inra.fr] wrote:

[#83036] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — ts <decoux@...> 2003/09/26

>>>>> "N" == Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> writes:

[#83037] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/26

ts [mailto:decoux@moulon.inra.fr] wrote:

[#83011] Adding, removing and redefining features at runtime — "Thomas Sondergaard" <thomas@...>

I am working on an article on the subject of implementing dynamically typed

23 messages 2003/09/26

[#83105] Fwd: FW: Porting Suggestions: Lucene to Ruby; Perl Text::Balanced — Erik Hatcher <erik@...>

I was alerted about me being mentioned on ruby-talk, as I was not

12 messages 2003/09/27
[#83117] OT: alerts - was Re: Fwd: FW: Porting Suggestions: Lucene to Ruby; Perl Text::Balanced — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/09/27

Erik Hatcher wrote:

[#83140] Thoughts on yield — nolan_d@... (Nolan J. Darilek)

I've begun working on a music-related ruby project, and recently I've

17 messages 2003/09/28

[#83223] Article on ARTIMA — Peter Hickman <peter@...>

There is the start of a series of articles on ARTIMA with Matz.

21 messages 2003/09/29

[#83310] Making == symmetric? — elbows@... (Nathan Weston)

It has always bothered me that == is not symmetric in ruby:

22 messages 2003/09/30

Re: holub and OOP flavors

From: Mauricio Fern疣dez <batsman.geo@...>
Date: 2003-09-03 10:27:29 UTC
List: ruby-talk #80975
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 04:41:19PM +0900, Joe Cheng wrote:
> Just want to surface this link to everyone involved in the (rather large)
> subthread of OOP flavors:
> The point is, I *don't* think the following should be the primary factors
> that decide whether x.foo(y) or y.fooTo(x) is best:

I agree completely.

> * x.foo(y) is more natural because it's x that does the fooing.
> * In the Real World, you don't tell a y to fooTo x, you just foo the y with
> x.

There's not many reasons to model as in the Real World (the one I can
think of being that it might make things easier to grasp), and anyway
the task at hand is building abstractions to solve a problem, not
replicating nature.

> * It just feels wrong, I don't know why.

Depending on the experience of the developer this feeling might encompass
several problems he's able to "sense" in some way. It's up to one to
decide how much trust he places on his "sixth sense".

> Instead I think the thought process should sound more like:
> * x is more likely to change in the future, so I would like to keep its
> implementation particularly opaque and its public interface particularly
> compact.  Therefore I will choose x.foo(y).
> * Many classes are likely to have an "is-a" relationship to y, and I would
> like future developers to be able to provide their own implementations of
> fooTo, so I will choose y.fooTo(x).

To sum up, I'd just try to ensure that changes don't propagate throughout
the system, which is what "complexity management" is mostly about
(attempting to limit the growth of the problems you have to face as the
system grows). I guess this is strongly related to PragProg's
orthogonality. 

I'd not always follow "local rules" when deciding on a API or a class
hierarchy, but rather go for a "global optimum", keeping in mind that my
goal is making something that will do V and W, with properties X and Y
(which probably include maintainability and expansion capabilities).

At any rate, IMHO a design should reflect the expectations of the devel.
about what's likely to me modified/expanded in the future. Some of the
XP crowd would condemn this as "doing something unneeded", but I see it
as a (rational) bet: if I know that the probability of myself needing X
is p(need X), the cost of doing Y if I got X is C(Y/X) and the cost if I
don't do X is C(Y/not X), I'd always do X first even if I don't need it
at the moment if  p(need X) * C(Y/not X) > p(need X) * C(Y/X) + C(X).

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