[#80776] prerelease of Guis-1.3pre1 (a GTK widget server) for Ruby — Basile STARYNKEVITCH <basile@...>

Dear All,

11 messages 2003/09/01

[#80849] Simple question(s) — Michael Campbell <michael_s_campbell@...>

(I think...)

16 messages 2003/09/02

[#80870] show me the ruby way — nord ehacedod <nordehacedod@...>

This works, but there must be a more natural way to do

18 messages 2003/09/02
[#80916] Re: show me the ruby way — aero6dof@... (Alan Chen) 2003/09/02

ts <decoux@moulon.inra.fr> wrote in message news:<200309021525.h82FPkM17085@moulon.inra.fr>...

[#80918] Re: show me the ruby way — "Warren Brown" <wkb@...> 2003/09/02

alan,

[#80873] RDoc: how to turn off automatic linking for a word? — leikind@... (Yuri Leikind)

Hello all,

12 messages 2003/09/02
[#80962] Re: RDoc: how to turn off automatic linking for a word? — William Webber <wew@...> 2003/09/03

On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 12:32:23AM +0900, Yuri Leikind wrote:

[#81014] unknown node type 0 — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Hello, all.

15 messages 2003/09/03

[#81028] webrick and ruby — ahoward <ahoward@...>

12 messages 2003/09/03

[#81057] WEBrick and mod_ruby performance — quixoticsycophant@... (Jeff Mitchell)

I've been scoping out ruby for an upcoming server project.

16 messages 2003/09/03

[#81075] Unit Tests and Encapsulation — Scott Thompson <easco@...>

This may be off-topic in a Ruby list, although I have noticed that a

18 messages 2003/09/04

[#81167] Difference between .. and ... in boolean ranges — Oliver Dain <odain2@...>

I'm a bit confused by some Ruby behavior I'm seeing with ranges. As I

12 messages 2003/09/04

[#81234] Correction: "religious" — Daniel Carrera <dcarrera@...>

It has come to my attention that the word religious can, indeed, be

12 messages 2003/09/05

[#81239] rcalc 2.0 (Ruby Calculator) — "Josef 'Jupp' Schugt" <jupp@...>

Saluton!

14 messages 2003/09/05

[#81345] ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Ryan Pavlik <rpav@...>

MetaTags 1.0

73 messages 2003/09/08
[#81361] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Tobias Peters <tpeters@...> 2003/09/08

Ryan Pavlik wrote:

[#81371] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2003/09/08

On Monday 08 September 2003 06:58 am, Tobias Peters wrote:

[#81384] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Chad Fowler <chad@...> 2003/09/08

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#81386] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — dblack@... 2003/09/08

Hi --

[#81394] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...> 2003/09/08

On Monday 08 September 2003 12:08 pm, dblack@superlink.net wrote:

[#81396] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/09/08

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#81452] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2003/09/09

Hi,

[#81454] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2003/09/09

[#81615] Re: ANN: MetaTags 1.0 — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2003/09/10

On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 11:59 PM, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#81374] problem with Module#append_features — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>

Hi all,

24 messages 2003/09/08

[#81503] Memory consumption of Ruby/mod_ruby combo on Apache — David Heinemeier Hansson <david@...>

I'm seeing memory consumption in the area of 30-35mb per Apache process

12 messages 2003/09/09
[#81504] Re: Memory consumption of Ruby/mod_ruby combo on Apache — mgarriss <mgarriss@...> 2003/09/09

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

[#81535] using a filter inside Ruby — Eric Schwartz <emschwar@...>

I've the contents of a raw log file in memory, and a program that will

12 messages 2003/09/09

[#81587] Fwd: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Related to the recent thread about nested structs

16 messages 2003/09/10
[#81590] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/10

Robert Feldt [mailto:feldt@ce.chalmers.se] wrote:

[#81594] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/09/10

Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> skrev den Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:42:24 +0900:

[#81596] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/10

Robert Feldt [mailto:feldt@ce.chalmers.se] wrote:

[#81597] Re: Calling fun taking struct and not pointer to struct? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2003/09/10

Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> skrev den Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:06:18 +0900:

[#81612] What *are* variables? Which are nil now? — Hugh Sasse Staff Elec Eng <hgs@...>

Reading about reflection, ObjectSpace will give you the objects in

22 messages 2003/09/10
[#81632] Re: What *are* variables? Which are nil now? — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/10

> raise "@b1 is nil" if @b1.nil

[#81623] Chasing a garbage collection bug — "Thomas Sondergaard" <thomas@...>

I just discovered that I have a GC related bug, or that is to say it doesn't

17 messages 2003/09/10

[#81755] Passing an Object Class from a method to a caller — "RLMuller" <RLMuller@...>

Hi All,

14 messages 2003/09/11

[#81840] Re: Dir.foreach not with patterns? — "Weirich, James" <James.Weirich@...>

I like the Dir[] form (or its "glob" alternative). I used to write

14 messages 2003/09/12
[#82500] Re: Dir.foreach not with patterns? — Jason Creighton <androflux@...> 2003/09/19

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:59:25 +0100

[#81871] Duck Typing — Jim Weirich <jweirich@...>

In the Method Redefinition thread, this explanation of Duck Typing is

38 messages 2003/09/13
[#81884] Re: Duck Typing — dblack@... 2003/09/13

Hi --

[#81929] actual debian ruby packages are unuseable with tk — Ferenc Engard <ferenc@...>

Dear debian ruby package maintainers,

12 messages 2003/09/13

[#81960] Dot versus double-colon — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

OK, I've been thinking (always dangerous after 11 pm).

18 messages 2003/09/14

[#82012] performance and style advice requested — Alex Martelli <aleaxit@...>

I'm trying to learn some Ruby, so I want to write some Ruby code, starting

53 messages 2003/09/14
[#82028] Re: performance and style advice requested — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...> 2003/09/14

Some style advice:

[#82029] Linguistics 0.02 — Michael Granger <ged@...>

Hi fellow Rubyists,

19 messages 2003/09/14

[#82056] Test::Unit -- multiple errors in test method ??? — Johan Holmberg <holmberg@...>

14 messages 2003/09/15

[#82166] scrambler one-liner — Xavier Noria <fxn@...>

I just came across this interesting article at Slashdot that explains that

27 messages 2003/09/16

[#82206] #{} and \" don't like each other — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...>

From the Programming Ruby book:

32 messages 2003/09/16

[#82419] wiki reccomendations — ahoward <ahoward@...>

15 messages 2003/09/18

[#82448] closing stderr — Michael Garriss <mgarriss@...>

I would like to prevent some output that is going to stderr during a

15 messages 2003/09/18

[#82547] fork not available? — walter@...

I am running windows 2000 using the PragProgs install.

14 messages 2003/09/19

[#82561] Trouble with binary files? — <agemoagemo@...>

I'm trying to write a program that will read a binary

24 messages 2003/09/19
[#82562] Re: Trouble with binary files? — Heinz Werntges <werntges@...> 2003/09/19

agemoagemo@yahoo.com wrote:

[#82583] Re: Trouble with binary files? — Tim Hammerquist <tim@...> 2003/09/19

<agemoagemo@yahoo.com> graced us by uttering:

[#82575] Article on oreilly.net on how to build Unix tools with Ruby — Xavier <NOSPAM@...>

Thought you'd like to know about this article

24 messages 2003/09/19
[#82829] Re: Article on oreilly.net on how to build Unix tools with Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2003/09/23

On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 06:00:21AM +0900, Xavier wrote:

[#82589] POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...>

Here's an updated version of the Ruby pop3filter that was written. This

32 messages 2003/09/20
[#82592] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/20

I've made more updates. Rather than just putting them here, I've created a

[#82609] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/20

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:14:39 +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#82617] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — "Shashank Date" <sdate@...> 2003/09/20

[#82618] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2003/09/20

On Saturday, September 20, 2003, 9:03:18 PM, Shashank wrote:

[#82621] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Austin Ziegler <austin@...> 2003/09/20

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:15:40 +0900, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#82623] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Jose Quesada <quesadaj@...> 2003/09/20

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:52:39 +0900, Austin Ziegler <austin@halostatue.ca>

[#82624] Re: POP3Filter for SoBig.F Virus: — Xavier Noria <fxn@...> 2003/09/20

On Saturday 20 September 2003 18:56, Jose Quesada wrote:

[#82632] Real emails on newsgroup version (was Re: POP3Filter) — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...> 2003/09/20

This whole worm thing brings up a question:

[#82683] Re: Real emails on newsgroup version (was Re: POP3Filter) — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2003/09/22

[#82661] Performance: Ruby vs Java — lalit_pant@... (Lalit Pant)

I'm a newcomer to Ruby, and thought I would write a little

18 messages 2003/09/22

[#82715] Ruby package for Linux — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Ok, I know nothing about linux packages.

22 messages 2003/09/22

[#82832] upper to lower first letter of a word — yvon.thoravallist@... (Yvon Thoraval)

Recently, i get a vintage list (more than 500 items) with poor typo, for

30 messages 2003/09/23

[#82884] When threads block — Hans Fugal <fugalh@...>

It's difficult to do any serious multi-threaded network programming when

13 messages 2003/09/24

[#82964] Re: Prove internet package for Microsoft Internet Explorer — "Anthony Neville" <anthony.neville@...>

13 messages 2003/09/25

[#83002] TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...>

I'm trying to use TCPSocket.gethostbyname to verify that a given domain

35 messages 2003/09/25
[#83006] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — Peter <Peter.Vanbroekhoven@...> 2003/09/25

> I can browse to either of those hosts, so what's different about them? Any

[#83014] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/26

Peter [mailto:Peter.Vanbroekhoven@cs.kuleuven.ac.be] wrote:

[#83030] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — ts <decoux@...> 2003/09/26

>>>>> "N" == Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> writes:

[#83035] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/26

ts [mailto:decoux@moulon.inra.fr] wrote:

[#83036] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — ts <decoux@...> 2003/09/26

>>>>> "N" == Nathaniel Talbott <nathaniel@NOSPAMtalbott.ws> writes:

[#83037] Re: TCPSocket.gethostbyname difficulties — "Nathaniel Talbott" <nathaniel@...> 2003/09/26

ts [mailto:decoux@moulon.inra.fr] wrote:

[#83011] Adding, removing and redefining features at runtime — "Thomas Sondergaard" <thomas@...>

I am working on an article on the subject of implementing dynamically typed

23 messages 2003/09/26

[#83105] Fwd: FW: Porting Suggestions: Lucene to Ruby; Perl Text::Balanced — Erik Hatcher <erik@...>

I was alerted about me being mentioned on ruby-talk, as I was not

12 messages 2003/09/27
[#83117] OT: alerts - was Re: Fwd: FW: Porting Suggestions: Lucene to Ruby; Perl Text::Balanced — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2003/09/27

Erik Hatcher wrote:

[#83140] Thoughts on yield — nolan_d@... (Nolan J. Darilek)

I've begun working on a music-related ruby project, and recently I've

17 messages 2003/09/28

[#83223] Article on ARTIMA — Peter Hickman <peter@...>

There is the start of a series of articles on ARTIMA with Matz.

21 messages 2003/09/29

[#83310] Making == symmetric? — elbows@... (Nathan Weston)

It has always bothered me that == is not symmetric in ruby:

22 messages 2003/09/30

Re: assumptions about the core API

From: Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>
Date: 2003-09-13 15:33:32 UTC
List: ruby-talk #81923
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 08:40:29PM +0900, Xavier Noria wrote:
> I was going to add Module#abstract and Array#shuffle in a module I am 
> writing but then I thought:
> 
> 1. Is that good style? Could I break the libraries the module uses (or 
> some future release of them) if they already defined those methods?

My opinion is that it is bad style, unless you are adding a method to a
class with the intention of being able to dispatch based on the type of
the receiver.  For example, YAML adds Array#to_yaml, but it's
appropriate, because:
  1) the name is not likely to clash with the same method in another
     library
  2) it's added to Array because it allows the user to write
     obj.to_yaml() without having to know what type obj is; the
     appropriate method gets called depending on what obj's class is.

However I've seen lots of code where people just add a method to Array
when it would be sufficient to have a method in their own class (and
namespace) that does the same thing.  That just doesn't make good sense
to me, because of the risk of clashing with another library (or with a
future version of Ruby).

> 2. The other way around: People using my module might modify some core 
> API or define the methods I added with a side effect that breaks my 
> code?

It is particularly annoying to see code that changes a builtin method to
have slightly different semantics.  I think there are valid reasons to
do this (I've done it myself on occasion), but they are few and far
between.

> How do you normally handle this kind of modifications? Is there a way to 
> change the core API in kind of a local manner? If not, do you document 
> it, or do you just avoid it?

There is no good answer to this question, I think.

David Simmons proposed using selector namespaces; see [ruby-talk:26362]
and [ruby-talk:23144].  I think this would be a very nice solution for
Ruby.

David Allen Black wrote a library called Ruby Behaviors that allows
certain semantic changes to the ruby core library to be turned on and
off at will.  Unfortunately, it has some thread-safety issues that
cannot be solved.  See http://uweb.superlink.net/~dblack/ruby/behaviors/
for details.  I think someone else wrote a similar library that claimed
to solve some of the thread issues, but I can't seem to find it now.

Mauricio Fern疣dez has suggested using copies of the builtin classes.
See [ruby-talk:72827].  It's possible with this method to either a)
copy the builtin class at startup so if someone makes changes to the
builtin class they don't affect you, or b) to make changes to the copy
and leave the builtin class alone.  There are some gotchas with this
solution, though.

Paul



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