From: "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...[REMOVE_THE_SPAM]>
Date: 2003-08-20T16:07:18+09:00
Subject: Re: Why would you abandon Ruby? (was)

Actually, Michael's post sounded like a bit of irritation-driven 
sarcasm.  Yours sounds like a downright troll.  I think you can weigh 
the pros and cons for yourself; Ruby is available with loads of 
documentation and full source code.  There are a gazillion other things 
to discuss in this newsgroup than "the pros and cons of Ruby." 
Suggesting it comes across as provocative and argumentative.  I think 
that sort of posture undermines the structure of this community.  It is 
IMMENSELY helpful and quite welcoming.  Don't take a touch of sarcasm 
here and there as evidence of something deeply ugly.

My 2 cents.  I would prefer the "pros and cons" discussion was dropped. 
  Someone asked for insight, people are providing it, let's not devolve 
this into verbal combat.

	Sean O'Dell

Brandon J. Van Every wrote:

> Michael Granger wrote:
> 
>>On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 04:05 PM, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
>>
>>
>>>But... what does it prove?  It doesn't prove that Ruby is the
>>>reason. [snip]
>>
>>I can't imagine a circumstance in which I'd want to abandon Ruby, but
>>all these damned "Python vs. Ruby" and similar messages have made me
>>want to abandon ruby-talk. Could you tag any future /(Abandon|Switch)
>>(to|from) (Ruby|Python)/ threads you feel compelled to start with
>>'[DROSS]' in the subject or something so I can killfile them more
>>easily? =;)
> 
> 
> Whether I can or not, I won't.
> 
> 
>>Seriously, though -- what are you trying to find out? Just playing
>>Mephisto to a hypothetical Faust?
> 
> 
> You are proving that your Ruby community is not as welcoming compared to
> comp.lang.python as others have claimed.  I just went through a killfile
> debacle in that crowd, which began with people who couldn't tolerate the
> asking of certain legitimate questions.  You are proving my several-years
> held belief that no matter how diplomatically or graciously a contentious
> subject is broached, someone will come out of the woodwork and have a
> problem with it.  And, it seems, on Usenet almost any subject is
> contentious. ;-)
> 
> All I can say positive is at least you haven't immediately surmised me a
> troll.  As for explanation of my intent, I gave it in the first post.  And I
> grow tired of repeating it to people who will not accept stated intents at
> face value.
> 
> I'll turn the question back to you.  Are you personally willing to assess
> the pros and cons of Ruby objectively?  Although you may have already
> answered, since you said you're tired of the talking.
>