From: "Sean O'Dell" <sean@...[REMOVE_THE_SPAM]>
Date: 2003-08-21T02:50:06+09:00
Subject: Re: This is a newsgroup, not a mailing list (was)

Brandon J. Van Every wrote:

> Ok, you've got a former Newsgroup Proponent all riled up now.
> 
> Rasputin wrote:
> 
>>No,it's a mailing list that all your USENET posts are showing up on.
> 
> 
> When you gate your mailing list to a USENET newsgroup, you are agreeing to
> the standards of USENET.  The gate is a convenience for you, not a right,
> let alone an abrogation of general USENET standards.  Your newsgroup has a
> Charter.  People voted to allow your group to come into existence, under a
> certain process in the Big Eight Hierarchy that has a long, long tradition
> behind it.  Your newsgroup has been extant for 3 years, so this is not news
> to you.  If you need a refresher about this stuff, see your original
> news.announce.newgroups announcement:
> 
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=956929413.9394%40isc.org
> 
> 
>>Can you folks talk thos offline please? THis isn't an advocacy
>>group/list and this has gone on for days now.
> 
> 
> No.  Nothing about your Charter precludes advocacy discussion.  It is
> legitimate traffic, and you don't have a separate comp.lang.ruby.advocacy
> group where one might expect such discussion to be shunted.  If you feel
> it's high time for such a newsgroup, try to vote it into existence.  Be
> aware that news.groups admins always shoot down proposals that have flimsy
> traffic arguments.  Truthfully, you probably don't get enough advocacy
> traffic to be complaining.
> 
> If discussion is on topic, and you don't want to hear about it, simply don't
> read the threads or respond to them.  USENET is filled with zillions and
> zillions of threads.  That is the norm, the expected behavior of all USENET
> participants.  If you are finding this is cumbersome when reading through a
> mail gateway, either (1) get a threaded mail reader, (2) get a proper
> newsgroup reader.
> 
> Alternately, if the freedom of unmoderated USENET newsgroups really really
> really cramps your community style, consider establishing a moderated
> newsgroup.  It's a lot of work, but it renders most arguments about
> expectations moot.  Failing that, don't expect a newsgroup to behave like a
> mailing list.

What a lovely pointless discussion you have made here!  Bravo!  You know 
how to splash around in mud!

Clue: the people here don't get through life flaming, they actually have 
a purpose and produce something worthwhile.

Welcome to my KILLFILE.

	Sean O'Dell