From: "Furio R. Filoseta (Tlf.)" <furifilo901@...>
Date: 2001-04-27T22:35:40+09:00
Subject: [ruby-talk:14319] Re: Ruby mascot proposal. Will this end ?

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Conrad Schneiker [mailto:schneik@us.ibm.com]
Enviado el: Viernes, 27 de Abril de 2001 02:18 a.m.
Para: ruby-talk ML
Asunto: [ruby-talk:14298] Re: Ruby mascot proposal. Will this end ?

>If you think people have _irrational_ views, do you really expect to
>_rationally_ argue people out of them? :-)
>
>If I didn't already happen to be one the most reasonable people on earth,
>that sort of approach would, like, REALLY antagonize me. :-)

You are right, of course.

># Ruby IS Japanese, so it is only proper the icon I click on to start
># depicts a Japanese image.
>
>What if the head of Japanese Ruby marketing disagrees? :-)
>You seem to be equating personal origins with nature or character.
> Many of us (and maybe Matz) think of Ruby as being in some sense
>fundamentally _universal_ or "world class", irrespective of its
>origins, somewhat along the lines that many mathematicians and
>physicists think. I don't think of Linux as BEING Finnish or of Perl
>as BEING American (or more specifically, Californian) and so on.

This is exactly the opposite of what I meant (my english obviously sucks !)
I too think Ruby (or any other language or about any thing on earth, for
that matter) is fundamentally universal, and that is precisely why issues
like geographical origin, political correctness and supernatural connections
should be irrelevant and disregarded as such.

I only suggested the Japanese image because Ruby is undisputably Japanese in
origin and I like anime, but I really couldn't care less about what it ends
up being.

I'd venture to say that any Icon we pick will be accepted in the long run
for it will be associated with Ruby, and it will be Ruby's emergent
qualities that will enrich the icon, not the opposite.

Furio Filoseta