[ruby-talk:14096] Re: From Guido, with love... [+ Jython & JRuby]

I normally reply (in classic Usenet tradition, and following
the guidelines for the group) interspersed with what I am
responding to.

I am not doing that in this case because I just want to make
an overall comment about the post, and not respond to details.

Folks, this is the kind of "advocacy" that Ruby does not
need and does not benefit from.  When your first action is
to get people ticked off, their first, second, third, etc
reactions will not involve listening to you, or listening
to anyone who they associate with you.

This is the same basic opinion that I gave at
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/10906
and the advocacy advice I pointed to then,
http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue14/advocate.html
still applies in spades.

FWIW there are corners of the Perl (and probably the
Python) communities that try to do a good job of helping
people with basic questions.  (There are also corners
that do not.)

And that is all that I want to say on this topic.  (It
probably was more than I should have said, but oh well.)

Ben

>===== Original Message From [e-mail] (tony summerfelt) =====
>Conrad Schneiker wrote  on 21 Apr 2001
>
>>Well, IMNSHO, it also seems like a very *minor* sort of "deliberate
>
>i suppose it was minor...except it was posted on slashdot...anybody using
>python and online will probably have read it. if gvr says ruby is comparable
>to parrot (however jovial it came out :/ it was a good signal for python
>users to not bother with ruby at all...
>
>> Nothing worth getting bent out of shape about.
>
>by itself no, added on to the rest of what is said in the python community
>and it's annoying...
>
>>> third, EVERYBODY in the python community as a chip on their shoulder
>>> about every other language.
>
>well, i actually meant 'everybody' as in i have a good statistical example
>from three different sources :)
>
>>Umm, it won't take too many more responses like that for people to start
>>saying the same thing about the Ruby community. :-)
>
>i found that you can't ask the simplest questions in the perl or python
>community but you CAN in the ruby or tcl/tk community.
>
>and i've asked some really dumb ones in both :) but came out on the other
>end unscathed...
>
>>[But I hasten to add that I think Python is actually a pretty cool
>
>i added it to my language toolbox, as i did with ruby...i'm a firm believer
>in 'best tool for the job'
>
>>> Jython is mostly useful for people who have already chosen the Java
>>> platform
>
>i had a client who 'btw'd me on a java program. i don't do java but i was
>able to give him the jython bytecode, and the python source... he was happy
>enough with that. jruby would be a nice addition...
>
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