[#13775] Problems with racc rule definitions — Michael Neumann <neumann@...>

15 messages 2001/04/17
[#13795] Re: Problems with racc rule definitions — Minero Aoki <aamine@...> 2001/04/18

Hi,

[#13940] From Guido, with love... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

52 messages 2001/04/20

[#13953] regexp — James Ponder <james@...>

Hi, I'm new to ruby and am coming from a perl background - therefore I

19 messages 2001/04/21

[#14033] Distributed Ruby and heterogeneous networks — harryo@... (Harry Ohlsen)

I wrote my first small distributed application yesterday and it worked

15 messages 2001/04/22

[#14040] RCR: getClassFromString method — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

It would be nice to have a function that returns a class type given a

20 messages 2001/04/22

[#14130] Re: Ruby mascot proposal — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

Guy N. Hurst wrote:

21 messages 2001/04/24
[#14148] Re: Ruby mascot proposal — Stephen White <spwhite@...> 2001/04/24

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Conrad Schneiker wrote:

[#14188] Re: Ruby mascot proposal — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/04/25

Hi,

[#14193] Re: Ruby mascot proposal — "W. Kent Starr" <elderburn@...> 2001/04/25

On Tuesday 24 April 2001 23:02, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#14138] Re: python on the smalltalk VM — Conrad Schneiker <schneik@...>

FYI: Thought this might be of interest to the JRuby and Ruby/GUI folks.

27 messages 2001/04/24
[#14153] Re: python on the smalltalk VM — Andrew Kuchling <akuchlin@...> 2001/04/24

Conrad Schneiker <schneik@austin.ibm.com> writes:

[#14154] array#flatten! question — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/04/24

Hello.

[#14159] Can I insert into an array — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2001/04/24

Ok, this may be a dumb question, but, is it possible to insert into an

[#14162] Re: Can I insert into an array — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/04/24

Jim Freeze <jim@freeze.org> writes:

[#14289] RCR: Array#insert — Shugo Maeda <shugo@...> 2001/04/27

At Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:28:36 +0900,

[#14221] An or in an if. — Tim Pettman <tjp@...>

Hi there,

18 messages 2001/04/25

[#14267] Re: Ruby mascot proposal — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneik@...>

Danny van Bruggen,

16 messages 2001/04/26

[#14452] How to do it the Ruby-way 3 — Stefan Matthias Aust <sma@3plus4.de>

First a question: Why is

21 messages 2001/04/30

[ruby-talk:13733] Re: methods and types

From: "Jish Karoshi" <karoshijish@...>
Date: 2001-04-17 07:59:06 UTC
List: ruby-talk #13733
Dave Thomas wrote:
>This is not a thing that can be argued rationally. I was a strong-
>typing advocate for years, and was nervous when I used languages such
>as Smalltalk and Ruby. However, I now find Java a very frustrating
>language to use, and find myself writing higher-quality code in
>Ruby. In the end, the only way to find out is to try it for yourself
>and see. Write some Ruby code, and wait until you experience that
>a-ha! moment. Then write some more code until you start developing an
>idiomatic style. Get comfortable with RubyUnit or Lapidary. Then take
>on a largish project, and see what you thing.

I am busily learning ruby, and I see some things that I like or
I wouldn't bother asking questions.  My problem is that I can't
really do what you suggest about taking on a largish project and
see what I think.  I need to be reasonably sure that something
is going to be workable before I commit resources to it.  I have
seen enough ruby already to agree with people here that ruby is
probably more enjoyable to code in than java or c.  But I can't
make design decisions for projects based on whats more enjoyable.
Well, somewhat I can, but you know what I mean.

I want my team to start using ruby instead of perl for all the
various odds and ends tasks that perl gets used for now.  I have
seen enough perl code to last me a lifetime.  Good code in perl
is fine, but there's something about bad code in perl thats worse
than bad code in other languages, something very HP-Lovecraft-
mad-servants-of-the-elder-gods-chattering-in-the-extradimensional-
insect-language kind of bad that makes my head hurt when I have
to read it.  Which is why I started looking at ruby in the first
place.
I am just very curious to know what tools and what methods people
use to successfully implement medium sized projects in ruby.  More
specifically, if we changed from java to ruby for a 20-30 man year
project, what would we need to change in our design process and
our other tools in order to end up on schedule with a robust system?
Do tools even exist that can cope with ruby?  We use rational for
UML etc, and mercury for testing currently.
This is why I asked about the argument types question in the first
place, because it seems like it would force a change in the way
you do things when you design and iterate, and I want to know what
those changes are so I can make an informed choice.

I know thats a really broad question, and I appreciate the time you
and others have already taken to try to enlighten me.  I guess what
I am looking for in a nutshell is a pointer to the method that
works best with ruby.  Thanks,

- jish

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