From: William Pinelo Marin <wpinelo@...>
Date: 2002-08-22T04:48:46+09:00
Subject: Re: What New Language After Ruby?

really ?

where is japanese programing language for download ?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mauricio Fern�ndez" <batsman.geo@yahoo.com>
To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: What New Language After Ruby?


> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 12:20:19AM +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:
> > |To Andrew Hunt and David Thomas:
> > |
> > |I think in the book "The Pragmatic Programmer", one of the advices is
to
> > |learn a new language at least once a year.  Probably for the year 2001
it
> > |was Ruby.  Now we are already in August 2002.  Is there any language
> > |candidate for this year?
> >
> > I remember Dave once said his language for the year 2001 was Japanese.
>
> Come on... He's a Pragmatic Programmer, not a Utopian one :-)
> Japanese would be more like "one language per decade" :) (and I probably
> fall short)
>
> You'll soon have to answer such things as "is it worth switching to
> Japanese if I know Ruby" or "can Japanese be embedded in a C application";
> the responses could arguably be yes in both cases :-)
>
> Maybe we should have a FAQ:
>
> * Who's behind it? Is it ready for prime-time?
>
> Japanese is a time-proven, industrial-strength language. It is actively
> used by more than 120 million people worldwide. It is little known out
> of Japan but it is much more used there than Python, Perl and even C/C++!
> It is also a very general language, suitable for any application you can
> think of!
>
> We don't know who's the current maintainer, but who needs one, anyway?
>
> * I've heard Japanese supports OOP, is it true?
>
>  Yes; basic OO features such as classes, inheritance, etc have been used
> for a long time. Moreover, advanced concepts such as mix-ins and
> iterators can also be expressed in Japanese.
>
> * Is Japanese more OO than Python?
>
> Yes and no. Everything can be thought of as an object, but Japanese is
> multi-paradigm. You can think OO, functional, logical, whatever!
> But in a way it is more OO as you can extend all values. Methods and
> objects can easily be protected or made private.
>
> * What are its more interesting features?
>
>  - it is multi-paradigm: dataflow, functional, logical, procedural, OO...
>  - dynamically typed: variables (references) are type-less, but the values
they
>      point to have their own type. For performance and/or other reasons,
>      you can specify the expected type with the type markers: "-chan",
>      "-kun", "-san", "-senpai", "-sensei", etc... Values ares very often
>      promoted, for example from "-chan" to "-kun". This dynamic typing
>      allows you to use the same value in different contexts (try
>      pointing to an unknown value as "-chan" and watch the result!) This
>      is however quite an advanced feature, unsuited for newbies
>  - HUGE library of already-made, fully-debugged classes
>  - access to these classes is done via "Kanji" in Japanese terminology,
>    of which there is an ENORMOUS number
>
> * What platforms can I use it with?
>
>  Japanese has been used near Windows(TM). It can also be used in Un*x
>  and POSIX-compliant systems. Just about anywhere there's people,
>  Japanese can work!
>
> * So if it's so advanced, is it for me, the Pragmatic Programmer?
>
> Forget it. You'll never be proficient enough with Japanese. Its design
> is too alien for us and very few people outside of Japan have been able
> to learn it. Use BrainF*ck instead.
>
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