From: William Djaja Tjokroaminata Date: 2002-09-05T22:07:37+09:00 Subject: Re: Ruby aesthetics Hi, I agree that "@" and "self." are very minor syntactic choice. Even when the object itself is passed as the first argument into an object method I have no big problem with that. The biggest problem for me is that in Python an object is pretty much like a hash; this is equivalent as having all data members as public in C++. (Sure, there is a way around this in Python, but it has to be manually made by the programmer, not built-in in the language itself.) In Ruby, on the other hand, all data members are private by default (which is the recommended practice in C++), unless we explicitly make it otherwise (through the accessor methods). Therefore we have a standard information hiding in Ruby and not at all in Python. This is one of the most important reasons why I switched from Python to Ruby. Regards, Bill ======================================================================== Paul Prescod wrote: > It's a minor syntactic choice that hardly has any large-scale effects > either positive or negative. IIRC, Ruby uses "@" so you do a search and > replace for "@" to "self." and you add "self." to your method declarations > and you are done. I would not see that as the basis to switch from one > language to another but your mileage may vary. Python's way may feel > hackish to Ruby people, but Ruby's addition of "extra" syntax feels > hackish to Python people.