From: Franz GEIGER <fgeiger@...>
Date: 2000-09-16T17:10:02+09:00
Subject: [ruby-talk:4933] Re: Some q's to Ruby professionals

> Ruby certainly took *much* of the best, but certainly not *all* of it. I
> expect to see this great language continue to improve.

*much* is likely the correct term (there's no perfect world). Much, more,
many, all - as almost always a matter of taste if it comes to details.

> In
>
>
http://x59.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=668970618&CONTEXT=969033000.1739
587633&hitnum=1
>
> perhaps?

Yes.

> No, but there is the interesting possibility of piggybacking on
> Activstate's Komodo IDE for Python and Perl:

Interesting. Ruby needs that - every language needs a good IDE (especially
upcoming ones), because that makes a great part of productivity. Especially
a newbie consideres it this way:
Python (or Perl resp.) + IDE > Ruby;
Python (or Perl resp.) + IDE <= Ruby + IDE;

> It seems unlikely at present. I think Ruby is (for most practical
> purposes) already more or less as widely available as Java, platform-wise.

I'm in doubt.

> However, for most purposes, it probably would almost always makes more
> sense technically/economically to access these directly from Java, for
> unfortunate interface and support reasons. This is one of the factors that

Not imperative.


Thanks for your answers!

Best regards
Franz GEIGER



<schneik@us.ibm.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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>
>
> Hi,
>
> Franz GEIGER wrote:
>
> > Ruby seems to me the FIRST language that REALLY took all the best from
> all
> > other languages. Seems to be well thought.
>
> Ruby certainly took *much* of the best, but certainly not *all* of it. I
> expect to see this great language continue to improve.
>
> > As I encountered the language two days ago (in a Perl newsgroup!)
>
> In
>
>
>
http://x59.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=668970618&CONTEXT=969033000.1739
587633&hitnum=1
>
>
>
> perhaps?
>
> > I have a few questions. I ask them sorted by importance:
> >
> > 1) Is there a visual debugger for Ruby like there is for Perl and Python
> > (Pythonwin)?
>
> No, but there is the interesting possibility of piggybacking on
> Activstate's Komodo IDE for Python and Perl:
>
>
>
http://x70.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=665454690&CONTEXT=969033652.2835
74281&hitnum=0
>
>
> > 5) Will there ever be a JRuby (i.e. Ruby for Java) to be able to run
> Ruby
> > scripts on almost every platform on this world?
>
> It seems unlikely at present. I think Ruby is (for most practical
> purposes) already more or less as widely available as Java, platform-wise.
> The main advantage of JRuby would probably be to access Java libraries.
> However, for most purposes, it probably would almost always makes more
> sense technically/economically to access these directly from Java, for
> unfortunate interface and support reasons. This is one of the factors that
> makes C#.NET potentially intriguing--that is, *if* it turns out to
> actually be reasonably well ported to non-MS platforms.
>
> > 6) Perl is currently rewritten. Shouldn't there be efforts to go into
> Ruby's
> > direction? Or taken this way round: Shouldn't Rubyists offer support to
> the
> > Perl6 crew?
>
> It would be nice, but it turns out to be (technically) very difficult to
> serve two masters.
>
> However, you might want to check this out and put your question to someone
> more directly involved:
>
>      http://forums.itworld.com/webx?14@@.ee6cc5b
>
> # Perl monger and Perl 6 project manager Nathan Torkington talks
> # with Cameron Laird and forum members
> # about all things Perl, and especially Perl 6.
> # Interview runs September 13 through September 15.
>
> > I ask this because I heard that Perl6 will contain elements of Python
> and
> > Ruby contain elements of both, doesn't it?
>
> To some (highly qualified/limited) extent, this is somewhat true
> feature-wise, but (so I've been told) the internals are radically
> different.
>
> --
> Conrad Schneiker
> (This note is unofficial and subject to improvement without notice.)
>
>
>