[#150244] Defining regexp's and variables set by them — Garance A Drosehn <drosihn@...>

Sometimes I get in a situation where I have a case statement

13 messages 2005/08/01

[#150361] algorithm help — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

14 messages 2005/08/02

[#150371] Style question: when to use underscores — "francisrammeloo@..." <francisrammeloo@...>

When should you use underscores to

14 messages 2005/08/02

[#150385] different order of parameters... — JZ <usenet@...>

I'm trying to understand how to call methods in Ruby. Is it possible to

13 messages 2005/08/02
[#150387] Re: different order of parameters... — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/02

Hi,

[#150439] enum collection of constant values — Garance A Drosehn <drosihn@...>

I'd like to have a set of constants for a class, where their values

18 messages 2005/08/02

[#150451] setting up ruby on os x 10.2 — Julian Leviston <julian@...>

Hi All!

12 messages 2005/08/02

[#150495] array or with non-array — Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@...>

Sometimes wish that [3, 5, 13] | [8] can be written as [3, 5, 13] | 8

30 messages 2005/08/02
[#150502] Re: [RCR] array or with non-array — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/02

--- Simon Strandgaard <neoneye@gmail.com> wrote:

[#150506] Re: [RCR] array or with non-array — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/02

Hi,

[#150519] Re: [RCR] array or with non-array — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/03

--- Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#150581] ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Takaaki Tateishi <ttate@...>

Here are recent ruby-dev summaries.

52 messages 2005/08/03
[#150710] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/04

Hi --

[#150715] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> 2005/08/04

On Aug 4, 2005, at 7:31 AM, David A. Black wrote:

[#150717] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Brian Schrer <ruby.brian@...> 2005/08/04

On 04/08/05, Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> wrote:

[#150740] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...> 2005/08/04

Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> writes:

[#150742] Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/04

Hi,

[#150608] interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...>

There is wonderful java-based testing unit framework called TestNG.

24 messages 2005/08/03
[#150646] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/08/03

Jeff Wood said:

[#150648] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/08/03

On 8/3/05, Ryan Leavengood <mrcode@netrox.net> wrote:

[#150653] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Alexandru Popescu <the_mindstorm@...> 2005/08/04

#: Austin Ziegler changed the world a bit at a time by saying on 8/4/2005 1:16 AM :#

[#150659] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...> 2005/08/04

well, first we'll need to get matz input on adding attributes @ the

[#150662] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/08/04

On 8/3/05, Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@gmail.com> wrote:

[#150666] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...> 2005/08/04

I like your second one better ... my only question would then be your

[#150674] Re: interesting test tool... looking for opinions. — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/08/04

On 8/3/05, Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@gmail.com> wrote:

[#150709] new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — "Martin Elzen" <martinelzen@...>

>Now ruby(HEAD) accepts the notation '->(...){...}'

155 messages 2005/08/04
[#150767] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Brian Wisti <brian.wisti@...> 2005/08/04

On 8/4/05, Martin Elzen <martinelzen@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#150799] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/04

Hi,

[#150801] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/04

--- Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#150802] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/04

Hi,

[#150817] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/08/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote about new lambda syntaxes:

[#150822] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/05

Hi,

[#150836] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Florian Groß <florgro@...> 2005/08/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150843] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/05

Hi,

[#150872] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2005/08/05

On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150978] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/06

Hi,

[#150995] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2005/08/06

On Aug 6, 2005, at 1:57 AM, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150901] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/08/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150980] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/06

Hi,

[#151018] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/08/06

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#150866] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — "James F. Hranicky" <jfh@...> 2005/08/05

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:49:28 +0900

[#150870] Re: new block notation (was: Re: ruby-dev summary 26468-26661) — Jason Foreman <threeve.org@...> 2005/08/05

I hadn't seen this particular variant posted in this thread yet.

[#150842] Re: new block notation — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2005/08/05

Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#150855] Re: new block notation — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2005/08/05

> That's rather drastic. All it needs is a new symbol for literal hashes.

[#151008] Re: new block notation — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...> 2005/08/06

"David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> writes:

[#150881] Please help make CodeZoo truly useful — Curt Hibbs <curt@...>

I just posted this on my blog (http://blog.curthibbs.us/), but I thought

14 messages 2005/08/05

[#151017] OSCON videos, medias — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

My friends, I've got my act together now and a BitTorrent tracker up

18 messages 2005/08/06

[#151080] cartesian product — "walter a kehowski" <wkehowski@...>

Hello,

26 messages 2005/08/07

[#151096] Adding yet another Array.new form — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...>

How about adding a fifth way of constructing new arrays?:

18 messages 2005/08/07

[#151147] sending an email with an attachment in ruby — Matthew Margolis <mrmargolis@...>

I would like to send email from a server running FreeBSD(TextDrive) to

12 messages 2005/08/07

[#151162] String#to_ary and Test::Unit — "Trans" <transfire@...>

In Facets I offer:

14 messages 2005/08/08

[#151202] FXRuby or wxRuby? — baalbek <rcs@...>

I know wxWindows for C++ rather well, and have started to use wxRuby.

29 messages 2005/08/08

[#151224] Re: polymorphism and/or named parameters: the ruby way? — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...>

> -----Original Message-----

14 messages 2005/08/08
[#151235] Re: polymorphism and/or named parameters: the ruby way? — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/08

--- "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@qwest.com> wrote:

[#151377] event driven framework for ruby — snacktime <snacktime@...>

Is there an event driven framework for ruby? Something similar to POE

30 messages 2005/08/09
[#151381] Re: event driven framework for ruby — zedshaw@... 2005/08/09

Actually, yes. I'm working on the Ruby/Event library. It's a C extension

[#151384] Re: event driven framework for ruby — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/09

On Aug 9, 2005, at 12:23 PM, zedshaw@zedshaw.com wrote:

[#151389] Re: event driven framework for ruby — Yohanes Santoso <ysantoso-rubytalk@...> 2005/08/09

James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> writes:

[#151394] Re: event driven framework for ruby — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/09

On Aug 9, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Yohanes Santoso wrote:

[#151400] Re: event driven framework for ruby — Yohanes Santoso <ysantoso-rubytalk@...> 2005/08/09

James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> writes:

[#151405] Re: event driven framework for ruby — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/09

On Aug 9, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Yohanes Santoso wrote:

[#151445] Re: event driven framework for ruby — Tanaka Akira <akr@...17n.org> 2005/08/10

In article <84D5D729-3674-4084-A092-2359932E2FF4@grayproductions.net>,

[#151414] NitroHQ been vandalised? — John Carter <john.carter@...>

I went looking for the Nitro homepage to give it a mention to our

13 messages 2005/08/09

[#151441] NEWBIE QUESTION: pattern with nil — "basi" <basi_lio@...>

Hello,

33 messages 2005/08/10
[#151465] Re: NEWBIE QUESTION: pattern with nil — BearItAll <bearitall@...> 2005/08/10

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:44:15 +0900, John Carter wrote:

[#151480] Re: NEWBIE QUESTION: pattern with nil — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/08/10

On 8/10/05, BearItAll <bearitall@rassler.co.uk> wrote:

[#151605] Re: NEWBIE QUESTION: pattern with nil — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2005/08/10

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#151517] Threading on Win32 - at an impasse — Bill Atkins <batkins57@...>

I'm working on a project that would have to run several TCPServer's in

15 messages 2005/08/10
[#151526] Re: Threading on Win32 - at an impasse — david@... 2005/08/10

Cit疸 Bill Atkins <batkins57@gmail.com>:

[#151627] Ruby report generation tool — "Greg Brown" <greg7224@...>

For as long as I can remember the end of the summer meant slaving over

20 messages 2005/08/11

[#151653] cartesian product - next to last version — "walter a kehowski" <wkehowski@...>

Hello,

12 messages 2005/08/11

[#151657] Performance Ruby — "Goel" <spam@...>

Hi,

26 messages 2005/08/11

[#151692] Re: Ruby report generation tool — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...>

> -----Original Message-----

14 messages 2005/08/11

[#151723] Problems with Net::HTTP.get — Marek Kubica <pythonmailing@...>

Hello!

13 messages 2005/08/11

[#151735] Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — "Trans" <transfire@...>

I may have found a much better way to override Kernel#require. Here's

16 messages 2005/08/11
[#151743] Re: Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...> 2005/08/11

On 8/11/05, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#151768] Re: Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2005/08/11

Hi Chad,

[#151774] Re: Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...> 2005/08/11

On 8/11/05, Trans <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

[#151783] Re: Dear RubyGems: Perhaps a better way to override require... — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/08/11

Chad Fowler said:

[#151758] Setting up Eclipse for Ruby — "francisrammeloo@..." <francisrammeloo@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2005/08/11

[#151877] Another newbie question — "len" <lsumnler@...>

I am trying to write a small little program that will currently run in

20 messages 2005/08/12

[#151897] Ruby Performance — Bradley Kite <bradley.kite@...>

Hi all,

88 messages 2005/08/12
[#151909] Re: Ruby Performance — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/08/12

Bradley Kite wrote:

[#151914] Re: Ruby Performance — Bradley Kite <bradley.kite@...> 2005/08/12

Those idioms are around 21 seconds each in Ruby.

[#152316] Re: Ruby Performance — "Isaac Gouy" <igouy@...> 2005/08/16

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#152149] RubyGems or any HTTP on XP NOT working — mycallidus@...

I tried to start learning Ruby by installing Ruby & Rails on XP, and it

13 messages 2005/08/14

[#152151] hacker logo — "walter a kehowski" <wkehowski@...>

http://paulgraham.com/index.html -> http://reddit.com/ ->

15 messages 2005/08/14
[#152155] Re: hacker logo — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...> 2005/08/15

walter a kehowski wrote:

[#152186] Troubles with the installation of RAILS — Jan Meskens <janmeskens@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2005/08/15

[#152208] Building a REPL for Ruby — Shalev NessAiver <shalev@...>

Yes, I know ruby already has irb, but I have a friend who keeps

19 messages 2005/08/15

[#152290] New site built using Ruby on Rails — David Teare <dteare@...>

Hi all,

23 messages 2005/08/15

[#152375] Ruby for my new business? — Jared Nuzzolillo <onceuponapriori@...>

Hello list. I am in the process of starting a new business venture in South=

30 messages 2005/08/16

[#152434] Ruby on Unix vs. Windows — Rick Nooner <rick@...>

Yesterday at work we took an analysis program written in ruby that we had been

13 messages 2005/08/16

[#152451] Generic Parsing Library — "Adam Sanderson" <netghost@...>

I was wondering if anyone would be interested in, or knows of a generic

16 messages 2005/08/16

[#152535] Newbie question — "len" <lsumnler@...>

Is there some difference in the code I'm not seeing or is one better

18 messages 2005/08/17

[#152556] Prototype-based / Ruby question — "zimba.tm@..." <zimba.tm@...>

I just stumbled across this page[1] on RubyGarden. The writer tells

20 messages 2005/08/17
[#152578] Re: Prototype-based / Ruby question — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2005/08/17

On Aug 17, 2005, at 2:21 AM, zimba.tm@gmail.com wrote:

[#152585] Re: Prototype-based / Ruby question — Lyndon Samson <lyndon.samson@...> 2005/08/17

I'd say prototype means no classes, that is create an Object from another (=

[#152666] Novice Q: What's the difference between /\s*/ and /(\s)*/? — "Mike Meng" <meng.yan@...>

Hi,

13 messages 2005/08/18

[#152723] Idiomatic ruby version of this code? — Brock Weaver <brockweaver@...>

Showing off ruby to a coworker, and I want to emphasize how succinct yet

17 messages 2005/08/18

[#152740] Ruby Specifications — Brian Mitchell <binary42@...>

Over the past few days I've been working on implementing my own (yet

14 messages 2005/08/18

[#152772] Protecting commercial ruby code with public/private key encryption — "John Wells" <lists@...>

I was speaking with a co-worker today about the disappointment we feel

30 messages 2005/08/18

[#152776] Python vs Ruby! — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Which is better, Python or Ruby?

45 messages 2005/08/18
[#152828] Re: Python vs Ruby! — Jamey Cribbs <jcribbs@...> 2005/08/19

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#152777] New to Ruby! — Seth Thomas Rasmussen <sethrasmussen@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2005/08/18

[#152780] AIX and Ruby issues (still) — ober <ober@...>

I know this is a thorn to bring up every so often.

15 messages 2005/08/18

[#152843] RedCloth .... PILES of warnings when I require it ... — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...>

I've downloaded and have the Gem for RedCloth 3.0.3 installed.

11 messages 2005/08/19

[#152892] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

43 messages 2005/08/19
[#153016] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Karl von Laudermann <karlvonl@...> 2005/08/20

In article

[#153292] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Adam Shelly <adam.shelly@...> 2005/08/23

Hi. This is my first attempt at a ruby quiz, and my first post to ruby-talk=

[#153297] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/23

On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Adam Shelly wrote:

[#153314] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Adam Shelly <adam.shelly@...> 2005/08/23

Ok, I've updated my version to resort to guessing when it can't deduce

[#153348] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — "Dominik Bathon" <dbatml@...> 2005/08/23

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:54:25 +0200, Adam Shelly <adam.shelly@gmail.com>

[#153353] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — Adam Shelly <adam.shelly@...> 2005/08/23

On 8/23/05, Dominik Bathon <dbatml@gmx.de> wrote:

[#153374] Re: [QUIZ] Sodoku Solver (#43) — David Brady <ruby_talk@...> 2005/08/24

Adam Shelly wrote:

[#153067] Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Sy <sy1234@...>

I'm still looking for a Ruby-scriptable Telnet/MUD client. Does

52 messages 2005/08/20
[#154216] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — "Dave Burt" <dave@...> 2005/08/30

Jon wrote:

[#154219] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Reyn Vlietstra <reyn.vlietstra@...> 2005/08/30

Have a look at my mud,=20

[#154246] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Sy <sy1234@...> 2005/08/30

I look for months for a ruby mud client or at least something that can

[#154258] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/08/30

On Aug 30, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Sy wrote:

[#154293] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Sy <sy1234@...> 2005/08/30

On 8/30/05, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#154514] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — <agemoagemo@...> 2005/08/31

--- Sy <sy1234@gmail.com> wrote:

[#154535] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Sy <sy1234@...> 2005/08/31

On 8/31/05, agemoagemo@yahoo.com <agemoagemo@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#154541] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — Greg Millam <ruby-talk@...> 2005/08/31

> > The main reason that I, at least, am using net/telnet

[#154579] Re: Still looking for a Ruby MUD client — <agemoagemo@...> 2005/09/01

--- Greg Millam <ruby-talk@lethalcode.net> wrote:

[#153101] www.ruby.net — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...>

I don't know if this has been discussed before (didn't find any messages

46 messages 2005/08/21
[#153110] Re: www.ruby.net — nobu.nokada@... 2005/08/21

Hi,

[#153112] Re: www.ruby.net — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...> 2005/08/21

nobu.nokada@softhome.net wrote:

[#153113] Re: www.ruby.net — Paul van Tilburg <paul@...> 2005/08/21

On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:36:17PM +0900, Daniel Schierbeck wrote:

[#153380] The Chainsaw Infanticide Logger Manuever — "Zed A. Shaw" <zedshaw@...>

One of the things that's really great about agile languages is they give you the power to do anything. One of the most horrible things about agile languages is they give every other idiot the same power to stab you in the back with a rusty pitchfork.

37 messages 2005/08/24
[#153439] Re: The Chainsaw Infanticide Logger Manuever — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2005/08/24

From: "Zed A. Shaw" <zedshaw@zedshaw.com>

[#153445] Re: The Chainsaw Infanticide Logger Manuever — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...> 2005/08/24

My feelings are in-line with the review of Dave's session as OSCON @

[#153414] determining the attribute names of an object — Mark Volkmann <r.mark.volkmann@...>

The way to determine the names of the attributes of objects created

16 messages 2005/08/24
[#153417] Re: determining the attribute names of an object — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/24

Hi --

[#153419] Re: determining the attribute names of an object — Mark Volkmann <r.mark.volkmann@...> 2005/08/24

On 8/24/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#153422] Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Brock Weaver <brockweaver@...>

I apologize for the cross-post, but I thought it would spur a good

55 messages 2005/08/24
[#153426] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Aaron Kulbe <akulbe@...> 2005/08/24

What about vim?

[#153548] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — tony summerfelt <snowzone5@...> 2005/08/25

Brock Weaver wrote on 8/24/2005 10:51 AM:

[#153570] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Randy Kramer <rhkramer@...> 2005/08/25

On Thursday 25 August 2005 08:15 am, tony summerfelt wrote:

[#153793] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/08/26

Hello Randy,

[#153842] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Randy Kramer <rhkramer@...> 2005/08/27

On Friday 26 August 2005 07:56 pm, Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#153869] Re: Good cross-platform IDE / multiple document text editor for ruby / rails? — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/08/28

Hello Randy,

[#153456] ruby way for piece of code — Alexandru Popescu <the.mindstorm.mailinglist@...>

Hi!

10 messages 2005/08/24

[#153513] Bokeo 0.25 - The initial release of an FXRuby interface to RubyGems — Richard Lyman <lymans@...>

I'm pleased to announce the initial release of Bokeo, an FXRuby

9 messages 2005/08/24

[#153562] idea: klass.from_s(str) — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

I was thinking how in seems a little asymmetric that many

18 messages 2005/08/25
[#153574] Re: idea: klass.from_s(str) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/25

Hi --

[#153566] EventLoop 0.0.20050825.1600 — Daniel Brockman <daniel@...>

Hi list,

40 messages 2005/08/25

[#153656] rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

I'm trying to set the pixels of an image:

31 messages 2005/08/26
[#153673] Re: rmagick question — Brian Schrer <ruby.brian@...> 2005/08/26

On 26/08/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:

[#153714] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/26

On 8/26/05, Brian Schrer <ruby.brian@gmail.com> wrote:

[#153746] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/26

On 8/26/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:

[#153747] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/26

On 8/26/05, Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com> wrote:

[#153750] Re: rmagick question — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/08/26

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#153752] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/26

On 8/26/05, Ara.T.Howard <Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov> wrote:

[#153942] Re: rmagick question — Timothy Hunter <cyclists@...> 2005/08/28

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#153947] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/28

On 8/28/05, Timothy Hunter <cyclists@nc.rr.com> wrote:

[#153971] Re: rmagick question — Timothy Hunter <cyclists@...> 2005/08/29

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#154011] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/29

On 8/28/05, Timothy Hunter <cyclists@nc.rr.com> wrote:

[#154034] Re: rmagick question — Timothy Hunter <cyclists@...> 2005/08/29

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#154163] Re: rmagick question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/08/29

On 8/29/05, Timothy Hunter <cyclists@nc.rr.com> wrote:

[#153662] DRb functions disappearing? — Kevin Brown <blargity@...>

I will start by admitting I'm new to Ruby, but am generally a quick learner.

18 messages 2005/08/26
[#153667] Re: DRb functions disappearing? — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/08/26

On 25 Aug 2005, at 21:49, Kevin Brown wrote:

[#153668] Re: DRb functions disappearing? — Kevin Brown <blargity@...> 2005/08/26

On Friday 26 August 2005 01:14, Eric Hodel wrote:

[#153670] Re: DRb functions disappearing? — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/08/26

On 26 Aug 2005, at 00:32, Kevin Brown wrote:

[#153671] Re: DRb functions disappearing? — Kevin Brown <blargity@...> 2005/08/26

On Friday 26 August 2005 02:08, Eric Hodel wrote:

[#153672] Method behaves differently when called using #send — Ron M <rm_rails@...>

I'm having difficulty using #send to call methods in

117 messages 2005/08/26
[#153723] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — calamitas@... 2005/08/26

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Ron M wrote:

[#153828] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/27

Hi,

[#153833] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/27

Hi --

[#153938] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "daz" <dooby@...10.karoo.co.uk> 2005/08/28

[#153963] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/28

Hi --

[#154105] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/29

Hi,

[#154107] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/29

Hi --

[#154110] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/29

Hi,

[#154204] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/30

Hi,

[#154210] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2005/08/30

[#154213] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/08/30

Hi,

[#154247] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/08/30

--- Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#154151] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — Daryl Richter <daryl@...> 2005/08/29

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#154161] Re: Method behaves differently when called using #send — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/08/29

Hi --

[#153695] Word Chains (#44) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

40 messages 2005/08/26

[#153722] vim user switch to emacs? — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Hi,

38 messages 2005/08/26

[#153780] Introducing ruSH — Reyn Vlietstra <reyn.vlietstra@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2005/08/26
[#153788] Re: Introducing ruSH — Sy <sy1234@...> 2005/08/26

I've been waiting for something like this to come along.. but I'm

[#153789] Re: Introducing ruSH — Reyn Vlietstra <reyn.vlietstra@...> 2005/08/26

You have to have

[#153863] how do you describe '#!' in written english? — "SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko" <tshiget1@...>

quick question.

16 messages 2005/08/28

[#153927] Help needed with rexml — Michael <invalid@...>

I've been struggling to properly parse some XML with rexml. I will fully

15 messages 2005/08/28

[#153979] catching segmentation faults from Ruby — Iain Dooley <idoo4002@...>

hello, i've got ruby embedded into an application, and i've built a code

14 messages 2005/08/29
[#154028] Re: catching segmentation faults from Ruby — ts <decoux@...> 2005/08/29

>>>>> "I" == Iain Dooley <idoo4002@mail.usyd.edu.au> writes:

[#153980] how to unflatten a flat-array — "SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko" <tshiget1@...>

dear guys,

38 messages 2005/08/29
[#154014] Re: [Q] how to unflatten a flat-array — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2005/08/29

2005/8/29, SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko <tshiget1@gw.nsw.co.jp>:

[#154025] Re: [Q] how to unflatten a flat-array — "SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko" <tshiget1@...> 2005/08/29

greetings, Robert. thank you, it does make sense to me.

[#154056] Re: [Q] how to unflatten a flat-array — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/08/29

SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko wrote:

[#154013] I think that French verb conjugation is as simple as, if not simpler than, that of English (no kidding!) - see www.sixpourcent.com — pan6pourcent@163.com

Dear friends,

11 messages 2005/08/29

[#154108] Thread.list confusion — "Andrew S. Townley" <andrew.townley@...>

12 messages 2005/08/29
[#154132] Re: Thread.list confusion — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/08/29

On 29 Aug 2005, at 08:57, Andrew S. Townley wrote:

[#154238] ThreadPool (was: Re: Thread.list confusion) — "Andrew S. Townley" <andrew.townley@...> 2005/08/30

[#154143] New to Ruby — "Steve" <sdouglas949@...>

I'm new to ruby and programming (although I did dabble in BASIC with my

15 messages 2005/08/29

[#154188] Aesthetics of while ... do ... end versus while ...: ... end — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...>

OK, this is really quite lame, but what do you people prefer:

10 messages 2005/08/29

[#154344] MInimal Ruby Distribution with app — bww00amdahl@...

I'm looking for a minimal distribution of Ruby to distribute my app

12 messages 2005/08/30

[#154363] Nano Methods & Mega Modules — "Trans" <transfire@...>

19 messages 2005/08/30

[#154380] Ruby on Linux & Windows — Tim Ferrell <Tim.Ferrell@...0nspark.com>

I'm not trying to start anything here but I'd like some feedback from those of

18 messages 2005/08/30

[#154542] nano & mega — Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@...>

What's up with the funky names ... AND, is there an easy way to just requir=

30 messages 2005/08/31
[#154592] Re: nano & mega — "Dave Burt" <dave@...> 2005/09/01

Jeff Wood wrote:

[#154624] Re: nano & mega — =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Florian_Gro=DF?= <florgro@...> 2005/09/01

Dave Burt wrote:

[#154626] Re: nano & mega — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/09/01

On Sep 1, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Florian Growrote:

Re: Prototype-based / Ruby question

From: Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>
Date: 2005-08-18 13:59:45 UTC
List: ruby-talk #152705
Ah, the joys of discussing typing in Ruby... at least neither
of us is on the side of wanting static types in Ruby.

--- "David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Eric Mahurin wrote:
> >>> Take a look at the original definition of duck-typing
> given
> >> by
> >>> Dave Thomas.  Here is the example he gave:
> >>>
> >>> | When I write
> >>> |
> >>> |     fred << "dog"
> >>> |
> >>> | in Ruby, I don't care whether fred is a String, a File,
> >> or an
> >>>
> >>> | Array
> >>>
> >>> In this context, the "duck type" of fred is something
> that
> >>> reponds to <<(aString).
> >>>
> >>> By your definition of "type" being "the sum of all of its
> >>> capabilities", you'd have to pick what "type" fred is -
> >>> String-like, File-like, or Array-like.
> >>
> >> On the contrary: I *don't* have to pick or describe or
> find
> >> synonyms for what it is.  That's the point: the type is
> what's
> >> there.  I don't even have to name it.
> >
> > From what you said above, I don't see any debate over how I
> > defined "duck type" (other than the name).  I only see you
> > clarifying what you meant by "type".  I still don't see a
> > concrete definition of yours, but it sounds like you might
> mean
> > the same as what I said for "duck type".  But, when you say
> > "type" is "the sum of all of its capabilities" and "an
> > object's type can change and evolve during runtime" this
> says
> > to me your "type" is associated with the object itself and
> not
> > how the object is used.  All that really matters regarding
> > "type" in my opinion is how an object is used.  What a
> > particular object's entire capabilities and the fact that
> they
> > can change over time is orthongonal.
> 
> It sounds like you think I mean you should send all possible
> messages
> to an object simultaneously, or something bizarre like that.

No, I'm only talking about how to describe a particular type
(most likely in documentation).  I think you and I both agree
that in normal circumstances, one's ruby code should not do any
checking of the type - however you define it (kind_of?,
responds_to?, etc).  Otherwise you'd be "caring" about the type
which goes against duck-typing.

> Obviously any given use of an object does not recapitulate or
> encapsulate its entire type, if "type" is defined as the
> object's
> capabilities.

And that is why I think this definition of "type" is not very
useful.  The definition I gave for duck-type is quite useful in
the context of duck-typing - for documenting arguments of
methods.

...

> > I'm not sure why you don't like the term "duck type".  It
> is
> > directly associated with the term "duck typing" and is
> quite
> > clear in that context.  I don't understand the need to talk
> > about/document an abstract "type" beyond the context of
> "duck
> > typing".  Can you think of anything else?
> 
> I don't like the term "duck type" partly because I consider
> "type" to
> be adequate (since type in Ruby is already a matter of
> dynamic
> message-recognition capabilities, rather than class
> membership), and
> partly because I think the word "duck" sometimes gets used so
> much and
> spread so thin, as a kind of general code-word for anything
> connected
> with dynamic typing, that the original sense of "duck typing"
> gets
> diluted and obscured, which I think is too bad.

I'm not diluting duck-typing at all.  In static typing
languages, you associate a specific static type with an
argument.  This tells the caller what kinds of oubjects it can
use there.  When doing duck-typing within a method, you
describe the duck-type of each argument in the dcumentation. 
There is no  direct code to describe them, but the caller needs
to know at least from documentation.

> >> I personally wouldn't say "anything IO-like" (nor
> "O-like", though
> >> that might be closer :-) but rather: anything that
> responds to
> >> "write".  That's *all* that matters.  "IO-like" is a
> secondary
> >> concept, built on top of that.  Let's say someone said:
> "no, it's
> >> not IO-like; I reject that." That person could still send
> "write"
> >> to fred, as much as you can.
> >
> > My point was that if you document your method to take an
> > IO-like object (which I thought was your way - sum of the
> > capabilities of an object), you have the freedom to use any
> of
> > the IO methods.
> 
> I think I may see the problem here: perhaps you think I meant
> "summary
> of the capabilities of an object"?  I can't think how else
> these
> notions like "IO-like object" have crept into the discussion.
>  You
> seem to think I meant I want to slap specific, sort of
> pseudo-type
> labels on objects (IO-like, String-like, etc.), when what
> I've been
> trying to say is more or less the opposite of that -- namely,
> that the
> "type" of a Ruby object really cannot be labeled or
> summarized in this
> kind of way, because it is only defined by what it actually
> is at a
> given moment.
> 
> In fact, the tautology of type renders it close to useless as
> a
> concept in Ruby; but in a pleasant way, I find.

So you do see this definition of type being useless :)  I think
we are on the same page - mostly.

> > If initially the method is implemented using
> > <<, it may work with anything that has the << method now,
> but
> > you run the risk of something breaking if the
> implementation
> > changes to use different or additional methods.  If you
> > document a method like this, you give the method
> implementation
> > freedom to use a wide range of methods, but limit the
> caller to
> > objects that implement that entire interface.
> 
> Why wouldn't you just say: "the argument to this method has
> to respond
> to <<" ?

Yes, that would be the best (duck-typing) way to do it.  I was
just giving a counter-argument as to why you might "require" an
argument to conform to an entire "interface" (or your "useless"
definition of "type") - method implementation freedom.  I think
the method caller freedom is more important.

> > Of course that is not the duck-typing or ruby way.  The
> > duck-typing way is to document what capabilities you
> want/need
> > from an argument and that's it.  This gives more freedom to
> the
> > caller and less to the method implementation.
> 
> I would just call it "documenting a method" :-)

And I'd call it describing the duck-type of an argument just
like one would declare the static-type of an argument in a
statically typed language.   If a method doesn't do duck-typing
and instead checks for a class, you'd give that class in the
doc instead of describing a duck-type.  Or if the method did
different things based on the objects capabilities/class you'd
be describing something else - not a single duck-type. 
Describing a duck-type goes with duck-typing.

> But I'm not
> the duck
> police; you can use it any way you see fit.  Certainly
> documenting the
> capabilities you need from an argument sounds like a good way
> to go
> about documentation.  Objects whose type comports with the
> stated
> needs can then be used as arguments to that method.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> -- 
> David A. Black
> dblack@wobblini.net
> 
> 



		
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