From: John Knight <john.johnknight@...>
Date: 2005-08-04T06:07:31+09:00
Subject: Modern smalltalk and lisp learning environments

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 While reading through 99 messages in a thread about "Rails as a=20
first language", I noticed several wistful references to smalltalk and
lisp.

I put this note at the end of the thread but I guess people had stopped=20
reading
the thread so here is my note at the head of its own thread.

I am a ruby enthusiast. But I cannot let go of both lisp and smalltalk.

The good news is that really good books and working environments have=20
recently become available for both languages.

For smalltalk see:
http://smallwiki.unibe.ch/botsinc/

This book uses a modified squeak environment.

For lisp see:
http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/

Examples use LispInaBox and introduce 'slime' in emacs.

My guess is that people who read 100 messages in this thread will be=20
interested in marketing FOSS.
My friend, Mo, has just published a killer marketing book targeted to busy=
=20
people who could benefit from free open source software. Mo presents many=
=20
scenarios depicting how FOSS is very useful. Unfortunately, he is not a=20
programmer and has no scenarios based on ruby or rails. Check the book out=
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and if you think it is headed in the right direction send Mo or me some=20
scenarios.

http://freedomsoftware.info/

John

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