From: Derek Wyatt <derek@...>
Date: 2005-08-27T09:30:59+09:00
Subject: [WAY OT]Re: vim user switch to emacs?

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|>Dont' get me wrong, i love vim and it's the greatest editor in the
|>history of the world, but umm... ":shell" sucks.
|
| Under what conditions? I'll agree that :shell from inside a gvim
| window (note: gvim, not terminal vim) sucks. However, shell from a
| terminal vim process works fine for me. It would be nice if it had
| screen-type functionality, but I don't consider that one missed
| feature enough to make it suck as horrendously as you imply. In all
| respects, when I :shell from terminal vim, I might as well be in
| another terminal except I have the added bonus that exit takes me back
| to my still running vim instance.
|
| So, I admitted the :shell under gvim sucks... but why would I need it?
| If I'm in gvim, I've got plenty of other dedicated terminals just an
| M-<tab> away. The only time I use shell is when I'm stuck in a
| terminal vim across an SSH connection without X tunnelling.

Because the shell suspends current vim usage, and you can't get back
to it unless you exit the shell.  I never understood why it existed
when a simple ^Z gets you back to your controlling shell and an fg
gets you back to vim, and of course, you didn't exit the shell, you
just pre-empted it.

I see absolutely no value in :shell.

Regs,
D

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Derek Wyatt - C++ / Ruby / Unix Programmer
http://derekwyatt.org
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