From: BearItAll <bearitall@...>
Date: 2005-08-04T19:51:06+09:00
Subject: Re: Modern smalltalk and lisp learning environments

On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 06:07:31 +0900, John Knight wrote:

>  While reading through 99 messages in a thread about "Rails as a 
> first language", I noticed several wistful references to smalltalk and
> lisp.
> 
> I put this note at the end of the thread but I guess people had stopped 
> reading
> the thread so here is my note at the head of its own thread.
> 
> I am a ruby enthusiast. But I cannot let go of both lisp and smalltalk.
> 
> The good news is that really good books and working environments have 
> recently become available for both languages.
> 
> For smalltalk see:
> http://smallwiki.unibe.ch/botsinc/
> 
> This book uses a modified squeak environment.
> 
> For lisp see:
> http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/
> 
> Examples use LispInaBox and introduce 'slime' in emacs.
> 
> My guess is that people who read 100 messages in this thread will be 
> interested in marketing FOSS.
> My friend, Mo, has just published a killer marketing book targeted to busy 
> people who could benefit from free open source software. Mo presents many 
> scenarios depicting how FOSS is very useful. Unfortunately, he is not a 
> programmer and has no scenarios based on ruby or rails. Check the book out 
> and if you think it is headed in the right direction send Mo or me some 
> scenarios.
> 
> http://freedomsoftware.info/
> 
> John

I could never go for the smalltalk route for much the same reason that I
didn't take well to Pascal, just too much typing.

C was much easier on the finger muscles.